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  • phoronix
    started a topic A New X.Org-Free Wayland LiveCD Released

    A New X.Org-Free Wayland LiveCD Released

    Phoronix: A New X.Org-Free Wayland LiveCD Released

    For technology demos and testing, the "first true Wayland LiveCD" has been released that can start Wayland directly without depending upon an X.Org environment...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM3ODY

  • Delgarde
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    Originally posted by Rexilion View Post
    Ah, I see. Well, Weston is there and so (I expect) that functionality to be there to (is it called the chrome? really? confusing.. anyway, thanks for clearing that up). But I suppose that not all the toolkits are fully ported (or contain bugs).
    The term "chrome" has been used for that stuff - the non-content parts of an application - since long before the Chrome browser came out. I guess it'd blow your mind to learn that the term is all over the *Firefox* source code...

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  • aironeous
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    wayland on Nemo on N950 handset
    http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...10#post1347010

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  • Rexilion
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    Originally posted by nerdopolis View Post
    Interesting... Konsole has window buttons? but it's an xwayland app, and the mini X window manager weston uses for xwayland apps doesn't support buttons yet... ...are you sure it's Konsole?

    I'm looking into that. It seems the keybinding's lost. EDIT: I found that my loginmanager scripts are not starting weston in the correct PWD. I now made the fix to start it in the correct PWD to the svn
    The loginmanager's weston crashed or the user session? That could be westons fault... ...but I did after the ISO release have to make some tty related fixes to the loginmanager... I don't know what that could be

    No xwayland does not have access to screenshooting in Weston...

    I the next ISO, I'll have logging to var/log/syslog for the loginmanager. I just found a really sweet command called "logger"

    Thanks!
    My mistake, Xwayland does not have those buttons (sorry).

    The user session crashed, when doing a copy to clipboard (from Firefox, I think) and once by switching active windows by clicking.

    Yeah, logger is nice, but make sure the user can access the logs without needing to use root or anything, please.

    Thanks!

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  • Rexilion
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    Originally posted by jmcharron View Post
    Wow I got moderated..... Yet you let Q/LinuxAnals spew garbage over this forum. I'm done with Phoronix... My comment was harsh but it wasn't anything that was already said...
    Maybe that was your last chance... hmm?

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  • jmcharron
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    Wow I got moderated..... Yet you let Q/LinuxAnals spew garbage over this forum. I'm done with Phoronix... My comment was harsh but it wasn't anything that was already said...

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  • nerdopolis
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    Originally posted by Rexilion View Post
    xterm wayland app? I did find 'an' xterm in the launcher which did not work. The Wayland terminal worked good. What surprises me, is that konsole works really good. It has the close, minimize and maximize buttons. And scrolling with my mousewheel works. Furthermore, it does not crash when saving to clipboard (which Firefox did).



    I tried Windows+S, Alt+S, Ctrl+S (who knows?) and a button which indicates a menu and an arrow selecting one if it's entries ... + S . None worked, I checked /home/beccaholic and /root. No dice. I also switched tty's to see if Wayland complained, which was not the case (I don't see a .xsession-errors? is there an equivalent?). Also, TTY switching made the Wayland session crash for the first time for me.

    Having said that, it recovers pretty fast though.



    That's 'interesting'. So, Xwayland will not be able to handle screenshoting/recording apps, I guess?

    Thanks for your effort!
    Interesting... Konsole has window buttons? but it's an xwayland app, and the mini X window manager weston uses for xwayland apps doesn't support buttons yet... ...are you sure it's Konsole?

    I'm looking into that. It seems the keybinding's lost. EDIT: I found that my loginmanager scripts are not starting weston in the correct PWD. I now made the fix to start it in the correct PWD to the svn
    The loginmanager's weston crashed or the user session? That could be westons fault... ...but I did after the ISO release have to make some tty related fixes to the loginmanager... I don't know what that could be

    No xwayland does not have access to screenshooting in Weston...

    I the next ISO, I'll have logging to var/log/syslog for the loginmanager. I just found a really sweet command called "logger"

    Thanks!
    Last edited by nerdopolis; 05-26-2013, 12:31 PM.

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  • Rexilion
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    Originally posted by asdx
    Bull. Don't confuse me with yourself, idiot.
    Mirroring your condition on someone else is a first sign that you are still in the acceptance phase of your mental illness. I wish you much luck!

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  • Rexilion
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    Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
    No, by 'chrome' i refer to the window decorator / window bar (which is also called the chrome in some circles) that contains the 'X', minimize and maximize buttons, which you mentioned was also missing in many application windows.
    Ah, I see. Well, Weston is there and so (I expect) that functionality to be there to (is it called the chrome? really? confusing.. anyway, thanks for clearing that up). But I suppose that not all the toolkits are fully ported (or contain bugs).

    Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
    If i wanted Chrome / Chromium I would roll my own build using upstream sources and not download a binary version, just because I can (even though it takes 9 hours to build the browser on my ancient processor). Which i doubt is even possible on Rebecca Black at this point of time without access to the whole chunk of development libraries Chromium demands for the build process.
    It's a stock modified Ubuntu install disk. You could do a install build-dep of the chromium package and roll your own source. Should not be much more work than a 'traditional' installed Ubuntu.

    Originally posted by nerdopolis View Post
    To get KDE apps to work, you have to run them from the xterm xwayland app, because I have it set to use the default variables. The wayland terminal has the /opt in it's library paths. ...KDE apps crash because I have KDE frameworks in /opt (or you can just run
    xwaylandapp konsole
    for example to get an x program started with the default variables)
    xterm wayland app? I did find 'an' xterm in the launcher which did not work. The Wayland terminal worked good. What surprises me, is that konsole works really good. It has the close, minimize and maximize buttons. And scrolling with my mousewheel works. Furthermore, it does not crash when saving to clipboard (which Firefox did).

    Originally posted by nerdopolis View Post
    As for the screenshot, the Super+s, should save the screenshot in your /home/username . The built in screenshooter tool that comes with weston does not have a GUI,
    I tried Windows+S, Alt+S, Ctrl+S (who knows?) and a button which indicates a menu and an arrow selecting one if it's entries ... + S . None worked, I checked /home/beccaholic and /root. No dice. I also switched tty's to see if Wayland complained, which was not the case (I don't see a .xsession-errors? is there an equivalent?). Also, TTY switching made the Wayland session crash for the first time for me.

    Having said that, it recovers pretty fast though.

    Originally posted by nerdopolis View Post
    and because of security, only special apps called directly by weston itself, like the weston screenshooter have access to capture the entire display, so that's why ksnapshot won't work.
    That's 'interesting'. So, Xwayland will not be able to handle screenshoting/recording apps, I guess?

    Thanks for your effort!

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  • Sonadow
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    Originally posted by Rexilion View Post
    EDIT: You also mentioned 'chrome'. I guess you are referring to 'Google Chrome'. That is a case apart (from what I have heard) as it uses some direct X calls bypassing the toolkits. So it will take an effort of the Google developers to make it work on Wayland. Don't know when that will happen though... This also depends on how much is actually bypassing the toolkits.
    No, by 'chrome' i refer to the window decorator / window bar (which is also called the chrome in some circles) that contains the 'X', minimize and maximize buttons, which you mentioned was also missing in many application windows.

    If i wanted Chrome / Chromium I would roll my own build using upstream sources and not download a binary version, just because I can (even though it takes 9 hours to build the browser on my ancient processor). Which i doubt is even possible on Rebecca Black at this point of time without access to the whole chunk of development libraries Chromium demands for the build process.
    Last edited by Sonadow; 05-26-2013, 11:03 AM.

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