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  • erendorn
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    Ah thanks a lot, I feel stupid now, but I never noticed that icon (and I've looked more than once ).

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  • droste
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    Originally posted by erendorn View Post
    this forum needs a "report" link..

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  • erendorn
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    this forum needs a "report" link..

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  • erendorn
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    Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
    Michael is often complaining about how NVidia won't send him free hardware, so he can't publish stories about them, while he does get ATI hardware so those reviews get pushed out. How exactly is that so different?
    That would have been akin to give Michael insider info and covering material (like, prepare some vids or some ready to use disk image to help testing).
    I'm pretty sure if ATI sends a card + some money, it will become problematic.

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  • TheBlackCat
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    Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
    And where did he say Michael wasn't free to label it as such?
    When he asked Michael to present it as a leak from an inside source.

    Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
    Michael is often complaining about how NVidia won't send him free hardware, so he can't publish stories about them, while he does get ATI hardware so those reviews get pushed out. How exactly is that so different?
    There is a difference between offered hardware, which you can't physically test unless you possess it, and being paid money to write something favorable about software, which doesn't require any sort of financial investment to test.
    Last edited by TheBlackCat; 06 April 2013, 03:59 PM.

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  • smitty3268
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    Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
    Paid advertisements are labeled as advertisements, not news.
    And where did he say Michael wasn't free to label it as such? Michael is often complaining about how NVidia won't send him free hardware, so he can't publish stories about them, while he does get ATI hardware so those reviews get pushed out. How exactly is that so different?

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  • TheBlackCat
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    Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
    That's essentially the exact same thing as paying for an advertisement, and he didn't even ask that it had to be good publicity.
    Paid advertisements are labeled as advertisements, not news.

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  • smitty3268
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    Originally posted by erendorn View Post
    No, this is not how the world works. Offering money for (positive) coverage is what is wrong with this. Especially when attempting to collect donations through that.

    I'm not necessarily happy with the way all that is happening/covered/displayed, but the approach was wrong in itself, even if naive.
    Maybe i missed it, but i don't think he asked anywhere for "positive" coverage. He just asked for Michael to publicize it. That's essentially the exact same thing as paying for an advertisement, and he didn't even ask that it had to be good publicity.

    That said, I am glad Michael turned this offer down. I just don't think there was anything nefarious going on here.

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  • erendorn
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    Originally posted by Ouroboros View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with this. This is just how the world works.
    No, this is not how the world works. Offering money for (positive) coverage is what is wrong with this. Especially when attempting to collect donations through that.

    I'm not necessarily happy with the way all that is happening/covered/displayed, but the approach was wrong in itself, even if naive.

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  • blackiwid
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    Originally posted by Ouroboros View Post
    Anyway, thanks for the entrainment you've provided me. If I start seeing more dirty laundry, drama, and things that should be kept private on the site I may start visiting it less often, though. I can get those things elsewhere.
    I just read again the article, I dont really know, what to say, I mean except his offer to pay micheal for news he did nothing toooo wrong, I guess.

    But micheal also does not bash him for anything else, he just posts what he did wrote and let the reader decite what he finds not ok or ok.

    I could even think of that mareau would like that article because he get publisity what he wants most.

    One thing I did miss last time I did read it, was the count of the emails, >20 emails in 3 days. and like micheal said it wasnt like forth and back communication but basicly 1 email to micheal than a response than 20 as response to that. yes thats no crime, but I think its a bit strange.


    So if you think thats ok with the "kickback" thing, you should not have big problems with the released emails, because then you would most likely think that nothing is there that lets shine mareaus light less


    But I think Micheal is know for releasing all he heares form other people in person and per email, if he think its news worthy. Basicly what journalists or somebody like that does?

    So you should maybe not wonder if you send stuff to him, that he quotes you in a article, or do you think there are some special rules when he can quote you and when not?

    I find that solution maybe also not ideal, but its hard to defend yourself against this guy, like I quoted somebody he tried to get somebody fired.

    So he seems to either want to be big friend with somebody or if you do something he dont likes you are his biggest enemy. So maybe just writing to him, hey stop spamming me, and making him stop thinking you both are biggest friends ever, could backfire in some way.

    Then micheal would risk maybe some attacks. I dont know... maybe I think to much about it.


    maybe its really primary to get many clicks because of the ongoing drama. Like I said mareau gets with that article also what he wants, and it seems he dont care to much of his good reputation. Because he basicly lost it anyway.

    We have that saying in germany " if your reputation got destroys, you can live without caring about it" its a german rhyme.

    So if you would for one second think of mareau would not care about that, and at least till now he did not post here something against it, even he has a account and most likely did read it, because he has "plenty of" "time" now.

    And micheal did get a good article, so basicly all got what they wanted I guess.

    And we got transparence, so basicly a win-win-win situation (excpet if mareau thinks he has a good reputation he could loose, and dont want to?)

    But even than he lost more reputation with the other quotes of insulting people than with this article, I dont think that could harm his reputation, in contrast to the irc logs you could even see that he at least when he cares can work together with other people

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