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  • blackiwid
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    Originally posted by entropy View Post
    IMHO the best way to handle things would have been to stop
    communicating with this guy and filter the mails to the trash bin.
    I _could_ only speculate on why Michael chose to post instead.
    I see several problems with your suggestion,

    1. if he ever would have posted a news about this fork that sounds somewhat positive, and then someone would have leaked this email, even soureou could have done it under some strange circumstances, it would look like he would be corrupt or something.

    2. if every journalist would act like you propose, what would people learn out of that, just write to 20 news-sites or other press 19 will not tell about it but 1 will go for it, and they reach their goal. So what would they learn, if you dont do it, you must be stupid.


    I dont understand why some people are so defendish over him, last time I answered to him on this side, suddenly I got attacked by one guy for calling him maybe in danger of becoming a psychopath, instead of him doing this bad stuff.

    (he even after telling me calling him psychopath, "a piece of shit" and something else)

    I get that that was maybe not the most clever move I did, still its a small thing against somebody lieing around and try to "bribe" or pay somebody for such stuff, and insulting other people, as some coworkers said he even tried to get one of them fired, that with his insults could fall into mobbing. But hey defend him because somebody says something negative about his behaviour.

    Thats btw also a part of mobbing somebody, you give them the feeling that they self are the cause and deserve to get mobbed.

    But to be fair the complains of calling him to be in dangeour did not come from him but someobody else, at least it was another account, so I assume it was somebody else, maybe a fanboy or something like that, maybe he knows him, if so it also fits the scheme of mobbing that most of the time a group mobs somebody else not one person alone.

    I dont want to make that bigger than it is, I dont work with him or others so it does not hurt me much, but you should think twice who you try to defend with what reasons and who you attack.

    If you all would at least attack soreou AND micheal for doing that in the same post, thats your oppinion and thats allowed. But defend sareaou (sorry dont care so much to look the exact name up) and attack micheal I cant understand.

    Just say at least, maraou did something very stupid, but I think you should not do something stupid in response to that (I dont think its stupid) but if you turn around who is the initial problem causer and who reacts maybe wrong to a problem it really sucks.
    Last edited by blackiwid; 01 April 2013, 06:28 PM.

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  • uid313
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    Name and shame

    I wish more journalist websites would publicly name and shame people who approached them with dubious and misleading things like this.

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  • entropy
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    Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
    I find it a bit tasteless as well, but hey, at least it's honest.
    Also, I'm genuinely curious, is there any law that prohibits doing that?
    I mean, he was the intended recipient, after all.
    I don't see why it should be illegal. That wasn't my point.
    It just doesn't seem ok to me to publish private communication.
    BTW, I'm not defending this Soreau guy here.

    IMHO the best way to handle things would have been to stop
    communicating with this guy and filter the mails to the trash bin.
    I _could_ only speculate on why Michael chose to post instead.

    Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
    Or the other way round, is giving kickbacks like that illegal?
    Again, why should it be illegal? He does not belong to the public sector, I guess.
    Obviously, not anything that's legal should be done right away...

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  • liam
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    Originally posted by F i L View Post
    I'm not so sure about that, seeing as how Mark Shuttleworth just left Canonical to join Apple. Without Mark's money, I don't see Mir going anywhere too fast.
    You know, I hate it when people only get part of the story...
    If you would have cared to read the rest of the tweet Mark said he was "taking the Ubuntus[sic] communities with him to Nirvana...". I assume "Nirvana" refers to Apple, though I suppose he could be referring to the news of the reunion of eponymous early 90's band after the reappearance of Kurt Cobain (damn, that was an amazing prank he pulled...full props to him).

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  • GreatEmerald
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    Originally posted by entropy View Post
    What I don't like about all that is publishing private mail communication -
    no matter of which quality his mails are and how strange Soreau behaves.
    I find it a bit tasteless as well, but hey, at least it's honest. Also, I'm genuinely curious, is there any law that prohibits doing that? I mean, he was the intended recipient, after all. Or the other way round, is giving kickbacks like that illegal?

    Originally posted by Serge View Post
    If Phoronix was a personal blog, maybe it would be alright. I don't know how others feel about it, but I don't expect journalistic integrity from personal blogs. But Phoronix is postured as a journalistic site. As such, Phoronix can't sell coverage, as that would violate the trust that news consumers place in news providers.
    Technically this is a personal blog, at least partly. Hence why there are things like beer photos that pop out every now and then.
    Last edited by GreatEmerald; 01 April 2013, 05:10 PM.

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  • uid313
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    The free open source software community is supposed to be a meritocracy.
    It should be built on openness, trust, transparency and freedom.

    It is sad to see people attempting to play politics, marketing, etc.

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  • uid313
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    Scott might not appreciate that you leaked his emails to the public.

    But on the other hand, I appreciate the openness, transparency, integrity and having and adhering to a policy.

    Some websites value hype, page views, partners, connections and collaborations. Other sites value honesty, openness, transparency, truthfulness.

    Some accept bribes, others refuse to be corrupt.

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  • Serge
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    I also wish to add: Thank you for posting this, Michael.

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  • Serge
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    Originally posted by YoungManKlaus View Post
    Nice job, managing to even piss off promoters / news sites by constant nagging. After all I presume that's the reason you posted the excerpts.
    I presume Michael posted it because the guy offered to pay for news coverage, not because the guy was nagging. Offering kickbacks to journalists is news-worthy.

    Originally posted by mark45 View Post
    Michael, imo you're dramatizing too much a simple offer of money, the guy didn't ask you to commit a crime or join a cabal, really, it's not even worth the article if not for the link of the site.
    If Phoronix was a personal blog, maybe it would be alright. I don't know how others feel about it, but I don't expect journalistic integrity from personal blogs. But Phoronix is postured as a journalistic site. As such, Phoronix can't sell coverage, as that would violate the trust that news consumers place in news providers.

    Originally posted by entropy View Post
    What I don't like about all that is publishing private mail communication -
    no matter of which quality his mails are and how strange Soreau behaves.
    Kickback offers are news-worthy. I think that puts it under fair use, at least in the United States.

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  • entropy
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    What I don't like about all that is publishing private mail communication -
    no matter of which quality his mails are and how strange Soreau behaves.

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