More Mir Talking Points Come Out Of Canonical

[finalzone]

Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that Ubuntu generally "just works", and the other distros, even the "stable" distros generally look, feel, and act like somebody's hobby rather than a polished product? I'm sure Canonical has a lot more cred in making usable Linux distros than you do.

Only credit for Canonical is the PR department and Mark Shuttleworth fame status. Ubuntu itself was decent, Mandrake, SuSE, Mepis did far better job in term of usability and contribution to FOSS.

[bwat47]

i wonder what kind of video hardware accelation is planned on wayland/mir. the over reliance on community projects tends to lead to the current mess we have with vdpau/va-api/xvba. i hope someone is sensible enough to correct this, either on wayland or mir camp

vaapi is already ported to wayland afiak

[TemplarGR]

i wonder what kind of video hardware accelation is planned on wayland/mir. the over reliance on community projects tends to lead to the current mess we have with vdpau/va-api/xvba. i hope someone is sensible enough to correct this, either on wayland or mir camp

The same as we have now more or less. All APIs ported to Wayland... For the first couple of years...

I believe that now with OpenCL being more mature and widely used plus being available to FOSS drivers (r600g for example), the best method for the future would be to have software codecs ported to OpenCL. That way the hardware video acceleration would become universal, independent of special hardware or non-free software...

[Figueiredo]

i wonder what kind of video hardware accelation is planned on wayland/mir. the over reliance on community projects tends to lead to the current mess we have with vdpau/va-api/xvba. i hope someone is sensible enough to correct this, either on wayland or mir camp

[bwat47]

And regarding ubuntu's laughable claim of having mir and unity-next in an LTS by "2014", let me remind you when in 2010 they commited to having unity on wayland "within a year"

http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551

Only they never did a lick of work on wayland, and never once have even contacted wayland developers, they just expected wayland to do all of the work for them apparently?

[pythonista]

Canonical is a vampire from the beginning. Much like Dracula, the company successfully charmed majority of people to join the club then sneakily bite them.

Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that Ubuntu generally "just works", and the other distros, even the "stable" distros generally look, feel, and act like somebody's hobby rather than a polished product? I'm sure Canonical has a lot more cred in making usable Linux distros than you do.

I just retried Debian "stable" this morning, and it would hang on shutdown, take forever to boot up, and was in no way more stable or compelling than the much more bleeding-edge Ubuntu 12.04. Then there's the Arch-tards who suggest that Arch LInux somehow should be the dominant Linux distro, even though it's just a toy that is likely to fail to install, and even if it does install, it will pretty much break on every update. I still don't understand the alleged appeal of Arch, but I'm sure some knowledgeable Arch-tard can properly explain that the "I fixed it myself elitism" of Arch trumps Ubuntu's "just works for everybody".

[IanS]

Canonical has a great touch when it comes to UI's, but they don't really have a ton of programming expertise, and the wayland team is far more experienced in creating a display server than canonical's team.

I wouldn't even give them this credit, I have yet to see a vanilla Ubuntu desktop that I could stomach and things only got worse with Unity. Any time I have gone into the *buntu pool for anything more than testing it has been with a derivative (Ubuntu Studio, Mint, Kubuntu, and once with a minimal cli install that I set up with openbox/tint2 and some Xfce bits).

[finalzone]

Canonical is just becoming a vampire at this point.

Canonical is a vampire from the beginning. Much like Dracula, the company successfully charmed majority of people to join the club then sneakily bite them.
You managed to break the spell to find out the real thing.

[MartinN]

And why not the other way around? Merge Mir into Wayland-- you know, the solution that actually HAS all the parts "Done right" and ACTUALLY complete instead of a giant TODO list of some of the hardest goals to achieve in a display server, let alone in 6months?

Because you are only allowed one flip-flop on your word per 2 years. It'll take 2 more before Canonical has earned enough credit to flip flop again and go back to Wayland.

[bwat47]

So you admit Wayland has schedule problems that are incompatible with what Canonical needs to release their mobile assault! Therefore Mir is justified in being embellished.

Did you even read the rest of my post?

Wayland is already far more complete than mir (wayland/weston is fully testable at this point, mir at the moment is just a bit of leveraged xwayland code that barely does anything), if canonical adopted wayland and worked with upstream they would be in an even better position to meet their mobile deadline.

I highly doubt canonical's 2014 deadline is even feasible, given that they are totally re-writing unity, writing a new [pointless] display server, patching the toolkits themselves etc... this is just canonical blowing hot air.

Canonical has time and time again fallen flat on their face on the programming side of things. Unity/compiz was a horribly buggy and is only now shaping up in 13.04, and now they are about to tear everything down again for another re-write. The ubuntu software center is another example, its interface is very nice, but its a horribly slow and bloated. Canonical has a great touch when it comes to UI's, but they don't really have a ton of programming expertise, and the wayland team is far more experienced in creating a display server than canonical's team. Just look at how canonical and their developers have time and time again shown that they barely even understand how wayland works. You seriously think all of their lofty goals and deadlines with mir and this unity re-write will be met?

I used to be an ubuntu fanboy myself, but my eyes are now fully opened to how canonical benefits from the work of upstream developers and rarely gives anything back.