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  • phoronix
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    Wayland 1.0 Officially Released

    Phoronix: Wayland 1.0 Officially Released

    Wayland 1.0 along with the reference Weston 1.0 reference compositor were officially released on Monday...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTIxMzA

  • Rigaldo
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    It was expected they'd have done something to fix one or two bugs since then. Hopefully with the newer version XWayland will become less glitchy too.
    Wonder when initial proprietary support will appear.

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  • nerdopolis
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    Originally posted by Rigaldo View Post
    Thanks nerdopolis. I was just trying the current one. XWayland apps acted weird in some cases. One problem annoyed me the most, my screen turning off when closing certain XWayland applications with Super+K with apparently no way of recovery, aside from manual reboot.
    But other than "some" glitches it worked ok, as good as I'd expect so to say.
    Hopefully all those are being/have been worked on on upstream Wayland, I hope it's somewhat usable within a few months.(Maybe not for casual users, but be in a state for testers to be able to run it for extended periods of time )

    I guess I'll wait for you to release the new version. If it doesn't work for you, I doubt it will for me anyways. Thanks for your efforts!
    The super key + k command on xwayland apps was a bug in Weston. I reported it, it got fixed a while back. basically, what happens is weston owns the xwayland windows, and it kills itself.

    The wlshm driver for the xwayland server is also glitchy, so that's why the windows appear garbled

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  • Rigaldo
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    Thanks nerdopolis. I was just trying the current one. XWayland apps acted weird in some cases. One problem annoyed me the most, my screen turning off when closing certain XWayland applications with Super+K with apparently no way of recovery, aside from manual reboot.
    But other than "some" glitches it worked ok, as good as I'd expect so to say.
    Hopefully all those are being/have been worked on on upstream Wayland, I hope it's somewhat usable within a few months.(Maybe not for casual users, but be in a state for testers to be able to run it for extended periods of time )

    I guess I'll wait for you to release the new version. If it doesn't work for you, I doubt it will for me anyways. Thanks for your efforts!

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  • nerdopolis
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    Originally posted by Rigaldo View Post
    @Ancurio

    You're right, it's old .. From April.
    Hope I can find a newer one. Maybe I'll try Rebecca Black, although this is also outdated(but has scripts to build the newer version IIRC).
    Yes there are scripts on the SVN. I can't release a new ISO right now because Weston isn't working on Mesa with software rendering (it seems it's going to need a patch in Mesa)

    Also Qtwayland needs to be ported to the updated protocol, as well as the xwayland server, and sdl.

    Once these work, I'll push a new ISO for Wayland 1.0 of RBOS

    Edit: even if you use the current RBOS, there's a cheatsheet that appears as a dialog if you click on the I icon that has all of the key bindings and whatnot within weston.
    Last edited by nerdopolis; 10-25-2012, 12:05 PM.

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  • Rigaldo
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    @Ancurio

    You're right, it's old .. From April.
    Hope I can find a newer one. Maybe I'll try Rebecca Black, although this is also outdated(but has scripts to build the newer version IIRC).

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  • Ancurio
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    Originally posted by Rigaldo View Post
    I am posting this from the Fedora Wayland live CD(usb in my case actually).
    At first I was worried since I saw nothing Wayland like and it seemed buggier, but then realized I needed to run something like "weston-launch"(it launched weston in fullscreen, needed to do so as root for some reason .. Worked both from tty where I logged in as root and from terminl under Gnome Shell/xorg).
    And wow, first time I ever see the window truly moving along with the cursor under Linux and not laggin behind(after trying various card/driver combinations for that, not Intel though, but I'm sure it's the same), it's enough to impress me .. XD
    Similarly resizing works perfect.
    (Only under Linux I have experienced said lags, should be mentioned as well.)
    Although I can't run anything other than Wayland's terminal .. When I launch them they fail to find the display or something, "Error cannont open display 0:0"(I have xorg in one and weston on another tty, and firefox is on xorg :/). Launching them with "--display=0:0", or 1:0, 0:1 and whatever random numbers only changes the last part of the error ..
    I'm a bit of a noob in this ..
    Maybe there's a way to do it. It's certainly smooth, just like I expected, loving that part. On the contrary, the xorg in here is glitchy beyong belief though(the text I'm typing has not been rendered correctly for a signle second, random parts glitch out all the time). Btw, by xorg I don't mean XWayland, I couldn't to that one ..
    Right click on window decoration and then on "Rotate" doesn't seem to do much .. Maybe it needs some keyboard-mouse combination I have no idea of ... -.-
    After fullscreening the terminal(Right Click --> Fullscreen) I couldn't find how to unfullscreen it, I could only type "exit" and close it ..

    **Before sending the above I decided to test again whether I need to be root to launch weston via tty, weston-launch refused, but weston command launched weston in fullcreen while logged in a liveuser in the tty. But every went completely unresponsive and I had to manually reboot ..(Ctrl+Alt+Fx not wroking either)
    Not sure if related to weston or just random bug(happened in my previous try too.
    Other than that I'm pleased. Wayland was started with "perfect frames" in mind. It seems to live up to that.
    Might try Rebecca Black OS these days too .. xD

    If anyone knows how to launch X apps from wayland-terminal while in Wayland in Fedora Wayland live CD, I'd love to try. Or how to rotate windows .. xP
    The "rotate" in the right-clickable menu is just a left over noop, that ought to have been removed some time ago (the live CD must be using an old version of Weston),
    rotating is done with a certain key combination.
    I have once seen a "cheat sheet" somewhere on the internet with all key combinations, but can't find it right now. Just try out a couple obvious ones..

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  • Rigaldo
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    I am posting this from the Fedora Wayland live CD(usb in my case actually).
    At first I was worried since I saw nothing Wayland like and it seemed buggier, but then realized I needed to run something like "weston-launch"(it launched weston in fullscreen, needed to do so as root for some reason .. Worked both from tty where I logged in as root and from terminl under Gnome Shell/xorg).
    And wow, first time I ever see the window truly moving along with the cursor under Linux and not laggin behind(after trying various card/driver combinations for that, not Intel though, but I'm sure it's the same), it's enough to impress me .. XD
    Similarly resizing works perfect.
    (Only under Linux I have experienced said lags, should be mentioned as well.)
    Although I can't run anything other than Wayland's terminal .. When I launch them they fail to find the display or something, "Error cannont open display 0:0"(I have xorg in one and weston on another tty, and firefox is on xorg :/). Launching them with "--display=0:0", or 1:0, 0:1 and whatever random numbers only changes the last part of the error ..
    I'm a bit of a noob in this ..
    Maybe there's a way to do it. It's certainly smooth, just like I expected, loving that part. On the contrary, the xorg in here is glitchy beyong belief though(the text I'm typing has not been rendered correctly for a signle second, random parts glitch out all the time). Btw, by xorg I don't mean XWayland, I couldn't to that one ..
    Right click on window decoration and then on "Rotate" doesn't seem to do much .. Maybe it needs some keyboard-mouse combination I have no idea of ... -.-
    After fullscreening the terminal(Right Click --> Fullscreen) I couldn't find how to unfullscreen it, I could only type "exit" and close it ..

    Original post about live CD by disi.

    Originally posted by disi View Post
    Here is a Fedora wayland livecd:
    http://people.fedoraproject.org/~rhughes/wayland/

    Tested this morning in a KVM machine and cannot see much difference with Gnome3, if any at all. OK, KVM is extreme slow if it comes to 3D performance, so it was a little laggy but looks 100% the same as with Xorg-Server.


    **Before sending the above I decided to test again whether I need to be root to launch weston via tty, weston-launch refused, but weston command launched weston in fullcreen while logged in a liveuser in the tty. But every went completely unresponsive and I had to manually reboot ..(Ctrl+Alt+Fx not wroking either)
    Not sure if related to weston or just random bug(happened in my previous try too.
    Other than that I'm pleased. Wayland was started with "perfect frames" in mind. It seems to live up to that.
    Might try Rebecca Black OS these days too .. xD

    If anyone knows how to launch X apps from wayland-terminal while in Wayland in Fedora Wayland live CD, I'd love to try. Or how to rotate windows .. xP
    Last edited by Rigaldo; 10-25-2012, 10:28 AM.

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  • ChrisXY
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    Originally posted by garegin View Post
    the average consumer needs [..] photoshop
    No.

    Originally posted by garegin View Post
    blueray
    If it was legal there would be an out-of the box blu-ray player. You seem to blame linux for AACS LA intentionally creating legal hurdles for creating and playing blu-rays just because they want royalties.

    Originally posted by garegin View Post
    , netflix. they are gonna start using linux because stallman lectures them about their freedom.
    And yet all of the above you listed does not run on linux - because Stallman is right.

    Originally posted by garegin View Post
    power users shy from linux too- lacks on apps,
    No.

    Originally posted by garegin View Post
    sucky multi-monitor support,
    xrandr --output LVDS1 --preferred --output HDMI2 --preferred --left-of LVDS1 --primary
    Works every time, all the time.

    Originally posted by garegin View Post
    regressions all over the place,
    Yes.
    I still can't use my HP Scanjet 3300c on windows 7. Not that I would want, since it works with sane just fine.

    Originally posted by garegin View Post
    bad power management on laptops.
    On bad hardware that doesn't behave like it should, yes. On hardware that does what it should do, it's just fine.

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  • blackout23
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    Originally posted by asdx
    Qt, NOT QT.

    Qt == Qt
    QT == QuickTime
    OT:

    QuickTime was when I started hateing Apple long before I knew about Macs and iPhones.
    One player just to be able to play retarded *.mov videos. Almost as bad as Real Player back in the day.
    QT sucks ballz. Thank god it is now meaningless like it should be.

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