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  • RealNC
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    Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
    Yesterday I tried skyrim with wine on my HD 6550M. I have not measured anything but I would say it is about half as fast as it would be on windows + catalyst. So on this not very strong card it's "almost playable". Aside from occassional texture corruption and slowdowns it even seems to render better than catalyst on windows where for example in the intro the wings of the dragon were flickering.

    I believe on a stronger card you could play it just fine and it wouldn't be "practically useless".
    People buy "stronger cards" because they want them to be strong, not for them to get crippled by drivers.

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  • ChrisXY
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    Originally posted by LinuxID10T View Post
    It is useless if you want to do anything more than desktop compositing. For games, it is practically useless.
    Yesterday I tried skyrim with wine on my HD 6550M. I have not measured anything but I would say it is about half as fast as it would be on windows + catalyst. So on this not very strong card it's "almost playable". Aside from occassional texture corruption and slowdowns it even seems to render better than catalyst on windows where for example in the intro the wings of the dragon were flickering.

    I believe on a stronger card you could play it just fine and it wouldn't be "practically useless".

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  • Hamish Wilson
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    I spend a lot of time playing games, and I use the free Radeon Gallium3D drivers. So maybe you would like to clarify on how it is useless for gaming? Yes, certain games (but fewer and fewer everday) may not run properly, but to say it is useless for running all games (especially Linux natives games) is a a laughable assertion and an insult to the hard work of many dedicated driver developers.

    *Closes browser and goes back to playing Trine 2*

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  • 1c3d0g
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    Originally posted by D0pamine View Post
    You only learn things to earn monies and get rich quick?
    There's a thing called paying the bills at the end of the month...maybe you heard of it.

    Originally posted by bug77 View Post
    It's astonishing that some people cannot get their heads around the idea the for a product as complex as a modern GPU, open drivers are little more than a nice promise today. I may be more simple minded, but I'll take what works, thank you. Would I like all drivers to be open sourced? Sure! But there's this thing out there called "the world" that you can't just ignore. Or change at will.
    I wish I could shout this at the top of my lungs! I'm a realist, and I know that we don't live in a perfect world. If this were the case, everything would be open source, wars wouldn't be fought between nations and cars would run on sunflower oil only. So for now, we have to make due with what we have. I use Intel's open source drivers because I don't game or do anything GPU intensive on Linux. But if I did, I would definitely use the NVIDIA blob, not because it's closed source, not because I want to piss people off, but because it's the best.

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  • LinuxID10T
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    Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
    Useless? I've been running them for years.

    You shouldn't talk about things you haven't even tried.
    It is useless if you want to do anything more than desktop compositing. For games, it is practically useless. Also, if you want video acceleration, good luck. Also, I like the latest version of OpenGL now, as opposed to so long from now that once they finally reach that version that it is irrelevant.

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  • MartinN
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    Who cares?

    It's wise that the "AMD source" used language like "not anytime soon" - it does not completely preclude the possibility of them actually supporting it. If whomever said it, was absolute about it - e.g. "won't support it" or "will never support it", they would have pissed off a lot of people.

    About the only reason AMD exists is because Intel wants them to ... In my view, AMD should bank on the 'coolness factor', by actually being the first to support Wayland or similar initiatives, even if they make no money off it, at least initially.... e.g. like right now, help out with the Wayland effort by giving developers what they need, use that agility that a behemoth like Intel perhaps lacks, to create a niche in the up n coming OSX/Windows killer - Wayland w/X, and then eventually Wayland w/optional X. Instead, Intel is robbing both, AMD + NVidia of the coolness factor by actively working on opensource Intel HD drivers as a means to sell the next gazillion motherboards, and while at it, creating value for the world at large by aiding the Wayland effort.... Not only do they get to make money, but people will actually like them. Only thing Intel (that is, its leadership) has to worry about is staying in integrity and respecting ethics, as well as staying ecologically friendly and making sure its army of employees are treated fairly instead of like slaves.... and the sky is the limit for them. Given Intel's record so far, as well as the kind of CEOs they pick, they've got a bright future ahead of them... IMHO.


    Originally posted by phoronix View Post
    Phoronix: AMD Catalyst Will Not Support Wayland Anytime Soon

    Last week we heard news that NVIDIA is at least evaluating support for their binary graphics driver with Wayland, but on the AMD Catalyst binary driver side it doesn't look like they will be supporting the next-generation Linux display architecture "anytime soon", according to a reliable source...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE2NDQ

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  • russofris
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    Lol @ all the trolls here. Most mesa/kernel devs don't really don't get discouraged by the type of bickering and tomfoolery we see in threads like this, because they know that the people bickering will likely never contribute a single useful thing to linux or the ecosystem. You're the peanut gallery.

    I am optimistic about the Catalyst/Wayland thing. When the transition occurs, dri/mesa should be a bit more mature, as will 2d video acceleration. This allows Catalyst developers to focus on X11 'now' and a have graceful manner in which to retire the fglrx stack when Wayland becomes prominent. While mesa/dri has picked up in recent times (thanx mesa guys), I look forward to seeing even greater momentum in the near future. Perhaps AMD will send JB some additional resources from the catalyst team.

    F

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  • pingufunkybeat
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    Originally posted by Temar View Post
    This!

    The current open source drivers are useless and until this changes I'll stick with the binary blobs.
    Useless? I've been running them for years.

    You shouldn't talk about things you haven't even tried.

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  • Fenrin
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    as long as wayland is not shipped in most of the major linux distros as default desktop, that non-support via proprietary driver is fine IMHO.

    Wayland will need some time to mature just like Btrfs (and its fsck support)

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  • 89c51
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    Originally posted by D0pamine View Post
    So you don't know but yet you shout with much finger pointing at X/Y/Z company as if you do know? Wouldn't you be better frequenting (H)ard forums or Win forums or something? I thought phoronix was a FLOSS biased forum?

    You could learn how and learn how to want to do? or is it easier to whinge and use a blob?
    You missed it completely. I stated two facts. There are two areas that don't "work" (period)

    PM is something that awaits approval to be published and might happen soon (bridgman do your magic ). And video decoding/encoding (UVD to be precise) might happen or might not. Both depend more or less on AMD and not on the mesa/G3D people which do an awesome job.

    On a personal note i am not FOSS biased but GET THINGS DONE biased. For many workcases FOSS drivers work fine, for others are useless at their current state. OpenCL for example doesn't work.

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