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Originally posted by johnc View PostI read the whole thread. I just don't have any confidence in them. What I saw was "we'll cross that road when we get there" and all I could think of is ending up with the cluster-f we have on Windows.
You can't even come up with a reason it won't work, just "I don't have any confidence in them" and bringing up other unrelated platforms for some reason.
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Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostOr in other words, "I think the developers behind this are all stupid and I know better than them". With a hearty helping of FUD.
You can't even come up with a reason it won't work, just "I don't have any confidence in them" and bringing up other unrelated platforms for some reason.
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My take on Wayland
Experienced X developers: Look at the new shiny Wayland we're creating. It's better than X in every possible way.
Masses: Oh noes - you don't list network transparency as a feature. Doom, Doom, Doom.
Experienced X developers: Right, because that will be taken care of by the layer above. It's much better that way.
Masses: You can't get rid of [implementation detail] "network transparency". Doom!
Experienced X developers: Really, it's trivial. All you have to do is run an alternative compositor on Wayland that would scrape the buffers, compress them, and send them over the network. It's far more flexible than the X system, and also gives better performance. For the moment, we aren't even going to bother with this trivial detail because at the start everyone will be using X apps anyway and it will work the same. It will only matter after several years of use when native apps start being used.
Masses: I don't trust these devs. They're obviously going to screw up network transparency. I'm not sure why, i just think they will. Look at windows, it doesn't have X and it sucks.
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Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostWhat this whole thread was about?
I didn't get the warm fuzzies.
When it's up and mature and if it can do everything X can do, and do it at least as well, and the binary drivers play nice, yeah I'm definitely on board and can't wait to move up. But I hope I'm not asking for too much there. Or perhaps the whole "hey let's deprecate functionality" mentality that has been all the linux rage these days has made me bitter. Because seriously... if the goal is to make linux as shitty as Windows, somebody please let me know so I can switch back now and get a head start.
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Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostExperienced X developers: Look at the new shiny Wayland we're creating. It's better than X in every possible way.
Masses: Oh noes - you don't list network transparency as a feature. Doom, Doom, Doom.
Experienced X developers: Right, because that will be taken care of by the layer above. It's much better that way.
Masses: You can't get rid of [implementation detail] "network transparency". Doom!
Experienced X developers: Really, it's trivial. All you have to do is run an alternative compositor on Wayland that would scrape the buffers, compress them, and send them over the network. It's far more flexible than the X system, and also gives better performance. For the moment, we aren't even going to bother with this trivial detail because at the start everyone will be using X apps anyway and it will work the same. It will only matter after several years of use when native apps start being used.
Masses: I don't trust these devs. They're obviously going to screw up network transparency. I'm not sure why, i just think they will. Look at windows, it doesn't have X and it sucks.
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Originally posted by johnc View PostNobody in that thread was able to provide any sense of clarity about how network transparency is or is not going to exist in a Wayland display context and how it will or will not be different from X. Sure, workarounds were offered, but can you read that thread and say, "Surely we're in good hands here; there is a clear understanding of how network transparency is an important function."
I didn't get the warm fuzzies.
When it's up and mature and if it can do everything X can do, and do it at least as well, and the binary drivers play nice, yeah I'm definitely on board and can't wait to move up. But I hope I'm not asking for too much there.
Because seriously... if the goal is to make linux as shitty as Windows, somebody please let me know so I can switch back now and get a head start.
If you do want to go to an OS that never changes, you should probably look into moving to a Unix flavor. Because other OS's all look to improve over time, and that means throwing away crap. Like X.Last edited by smitty3268; 01 February 2012, 02:15 AM.
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Originally posted by johnc View PostWhen it's up and mature and if it can do everything X can do, and do it at least as well, and the binary drivers play nice, yeah I'm definitely on board and can't wait to move up. But I hope I'm not asking for too much there. Or perhaps the whole "hey let's deprecate functionality" mentality that has been all the linux rage these days has made me bitter. Because seriously... if the goal is to make linux as shitty as Windows, somebody please let me know so I can switch back now and get a head start.
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Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostThe fact that you think this feature is going to disappear honestly baffles me. Where does this mindset come from? Do you think Red Hat is going to start shipping RHEL without the ability to use remote apps like they currently can?
I understand that X is a turd and it'd be great if it was replaced with something better. I'm sure Wayland will be better. Maybe in practice the benefits won't be obvious to the end-user. But I just said what I feel -- that that thread didn't inspire any confidence in me that network transparency is even in the top thousand (<-- that's hyperbole btw) areas of concern for Wayland devs. Hopefully I'm wrong. We'll just have to cross our fingers, keep our mouths shut, and place our trust in them.
FUD. This is FUD. Because seriously - no one has the goal of making linux shitty.
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