Ubuntu Is Going To Deploy Wayland With Unity

[Baxter Stockman]

EDIT: It looks like John Carmack is also a Wayland supporter.


Wow, timeout for post editing is really short here.

[Baxter Stockman]

Hello, my first post here. I just wanted to say that I fully support Wayland if it can fix problems like slow (re)drawing of qt and kde apps, problems with windows resizing (when compositing is turned on), ect.

[mugginz]

You seem to detect excessive criticism of Ubuntu, and I often see excessive praise.

I see both!

Any excessive praise I can easily overlook.

Unwarranted slamage gets a bit boring after a while. I think Ubuntu adds positively to the Linux ecosystem. Some like to focus on the negative far too much in my view. Others go further and seem to suggest that Canonical should be folded, at least that's what I take away from members of alternative distros suggesting that programmers hired by Canonical should resign and find work elsewhere. (not referring to this thread directly in this last sentence.)

Here we have an article in which Shuttleworth says that they will deploy Wayland once RedHat finishes writing it, and all of a sudden this is some sort of a revolution and they are pushing the limits of what Linux can do

That would be a commentary on the story as posted on Phoronix's main page.

What I refer to is the comments in this thread posted by individuals I presume not affiliated with either Michael or Phoronix proper.

[pingufunkybeat]

You seem to detect excessive criticism of Ubuntu, and I often see excessive praise.

Here we have an article in which Shuttleworth says that they will deploy Wayland once RedHat finishes writing it, and all of a sudden this is some sort of a revolution and they are pushing the limits of what Linux can do

[mugginz]

Look, I'm not an Ubuntu hater. For two reasons:

- packaging is an extremely important part of the Linux ecosystem, and it is not easy to get it right (even if you let Debian do most of the work)
- It is very difficult to run a company which makes all of its money from Linux. Honestly, I can name three other companies which have managed to stay afloat: RedHat, SUSE and Mandriva, and the latter is not in the rosiest of situations. All other relevant distros are community-based.

But this is it. It's not a shame to be known as a company which does some pretty packaging, especially if the packaging is successful.

And instead of this, you are suggesting that Canonical is being mobbed by RedHat, Novel, GNOME and KDE because they are all jealous of Canonical's superior code.

No, seriously.

When I posted

I see that tall poppy syndrome is still strong around these parts.

You responded with;

I don't know what exactly referring to, but if you're referring to the anti-Ubuntu posts, then things are getting too ridiculous.

RedHat, Intel, AMD, SUSE and many others have developed the technology behind Wayland, and now the Ubuntu folks have said that they might use Wayland in two years.

I don't know, but the suggestion that Ubuntu is the tall poppy here is one of the funniest things ever written phoronix.

They SAID that they might use it in the future. Whoah. Dude. How can we thank them?

I think that speaks for itself really.

To focus on this:

And instead of this, you are suggesting that Canonical is being mobbed by RedHat, Novel, GNOME and KDE because they are all jealous of Canonical's superior code.

I'm suggesting there are posters who frequent this and other on-line forums who are taking aim at Cononical in various unfair ways. Also individuals from within the other distros aren't immune from taking pot shots as well.

[pingufunkybeat]

Look, I'm not an Ubuntu hater. For two reasons:

- packaging is an extremely important part of the Linux ecosystem, and it is not easy to get it right (even if you let Debian do most of the work)
- It is very difficult to run a company which makes all of its money from Linux. Honestly, I can name three other companies which have managed to stay afloat: RedHat, SUSE and Mandriva, and the latter is not in the rosiest of situations. All other relevant distros are community-based.

But this is it. It's not a shame to be known as a company which does some pretty packaging, especially if the packaging is successful.

And instead of this, you are suggesting that Canonical is being mobbed by RedHat, Novel, GNOME and KDE because they are all jealous of Canonical's superior code.

No, seriously.

[mugginz]

RedHat, Intel, AMD, SUSE and many others have developed the technology behind Wayland, and now the Ubuntu folks have said that they might use Wayland in two years.

Where did Mr. Shuttleworth say they were the sole developers of Wayland?

I don't know, but the suggestion that Ubuntu is the tall poppy here is one of the funniest things ever written phoronix.

They're successful. People like their distribution. No matter how much or how little of the code contained in the distro is theirs, they are successful. Reportedly the most popular desktop distro. Users are voting with their DVD-ROM drives and USB ports. That's one thing we know.

Now, because some users of other distros are butt-hurt because while the creators of their preferred distro may have more code accepted by upstream, it seems that this code in it's submitted form is chosen by less end users. Blame the end users perhaps?

It would seem that while Canonical may make some changes that upstream isn't interested in, end users are.

Some want to trash Canonical for the success of Ubuntu as if to suggest they're not deserving of their current preferred status. If Canonical didn't know how to package software in a way the people find pleasant and usable then end users wouldn't use it surely.

Ubuntu currently enjoys a pretty descent position as far as mind share goes in the end-user desktop Linux space. If RedHat, Suse, etc want to over take that position they're going to need to produce the code that's best to use in that scenario, not only the most code. Canonical offer their changes to all who wish to accept it. Perhaps the others should take it all onboard?

They SAID that they might use it in the future. Whoah. Dude. How can we thank them?

And with this statement you prove my point. :-)

[89c51]

I mean, Ubuntu packages a slick product, and they are successful. They brought new users to Linux, and this is good. Respect where it is due.

But only where it's due, please

the way i see it is somehow like this:

Redhat, intel etc are the technical side of linux and canonical is the marketing side of it

linux needs both


the 1337/freetard hate towards ubuntu is totaly stupid

[pingufunkybeat]

I mean, Ubuntu packages a slick product, and they are successful. They brought new users to Linux, and this is good. Respect where it is due.

But only where it's due, please

[pingufunkybeat]

I see that tall poppy syndrome is still strong around these parts.

I don't know what exactly referring to, but if you're referring to the anti-Ubuntu posts, then things are getting too ridiculous.

RedHat, Intel, AMD, SUSE and many others have developed the technology behind Wayland, and now the Ubuntu folks have said that they might use Wayland in two years.

I don't know, but the suggestion that Ubuntu is the tall poppy here is one of the funniest things ever written phoronix.

They SAID that they might use it in the future. Whoah. Dude. How can we thank them?