Niri 25.01 Scrollable-Tiling Wayland Compositor Brings More Features

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Good lord.

The most primitive and fundamental needs of a DE are still big news for Wayland. Window floating and moving and resizing and scrolling are "advances"?

And yet a plethora of people will excuse and defend the plethora of fragmented and partially functioning Wayland protocols and compositors and exclaim that everything is just fine.

Seriously, it's still quite difficult to comprehend how such a massive regression in Linux DEs is actually progress.

It gives doublespeak a whole new meaning.

[HEX0]

The most primitive and fundamental needs of a DE are still big news for Wayland.

Weak attempt at trolling. I'm sure you heard of Gnome and KDE, they have floating windows.
1. Niri is not a DE. It's more of a "tiling WM/compositor". It also does not come with a panel, notifications, launcher etc like all the WMs in existence.

Window floating and moving and resizing and scrolling are "advances"?

2. Niri is quite new and obviously floating wasn't the priority at the start for a tiling compositor. Floating in this case is mostly meant for dialog boxes and pop ups.
And scrolling is an advance. There's only a handful of infinite workspace scrolling implementations. As far as I can tell there's only plugins and currently Niri is the only dedicated scrolling compositor.

[FedFer]

Good lord.

The most primitive and fundamental needs of a DE are still big news for Wayland. Window floating and moving and resizing and scrolling are "advances"?

Please, inform yourself before making such idiotic takes. Niri is a tiling WM (not a DE, I suppose you know what WM is tho, coming from the "great" X11) which implements a scrolling window management, a way of arranging windows completely different compare to your average WM. Niri is also a pretty young compositor compared to other wayland compositors so floating windows were something that wasn't considered a priority and added just now with an implementation that fits perfectly the scrolling paradigm.

[muncrief]

Please, inform yourself before making such idiotic takes. Niri is a tiling WM (not a DE, I suppose you know what WM is tho, coming from the "great" X11) which implements a scrolling window management, a way of arranging windows completely different compare to your average WM. Niri is also a pretty young compositor compared to other wayland compositors so floating windows were something that wasn't considered a priority and added just now with an implementation that fits perfectly the scrolling paradigm.

Thank you for so eloquently detailing the disaster of Wayland and its fragmentation and demotion of the Linux desktop.

[FedFer]

Thank you for so eloquently detailing the disaster of Wayland and its fragmentation and demotion of the Linux desktop.

Why would Wayland be at fault here? All of the features listed would be allocated to a WM in X11 too and would share the same problems if they used the same tiling strategy as Niri.
There is nothing related to fragmentation in this issue either, Niri is actually using Smithay as a library for handling most of the lower level wayland stuff, the same library used by Cosmic too.
If you are this uninformed of the development of Wayland and compositors, please refrain from making such comments in the future.