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  • #11
    Originally posted by fitzie View Post
    nome should probably be banned from leadership roles until they add CSD and publicly apologize for causing so much frustration for app developers and users for so long after it was clear their vision was faulty.
    You probably mean SSD (server side decorations?). And yes, SSD should be made mandatory for any compositor and Gnome should shut up and implement it.

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    • #12
      I thought the point of wayland was to move everything out of the display server and into client side libraries, toolkits, etc. so now we have this fragmented mess with no hope of one single standard implementation like we had with X.org. What a joke. Imagine if 16 years of development effort was spent renovating X, instead it was wasted chasing this Wayland bullshit. Wayland still has no real accessibility stack nor input method support. 16 years!!

      Last edited by mxan; 25 September 2024, 07:20 PM.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by mxan View Post
        Imagine if 16 years of development effort was spent renovating X, instead it was wasted chasing this Wayland bullshit.
        Its a shame you didn't do that.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by mxan View Post
          I thought the point of wayland was to move everything out of the display server and into client side libraries, toolkits, etc. so now we have this fragmented mess with no hope of one single standard implementation like we had with X.org. What a joke. Imagine if 16 years of development effort was spent renovating X, instead it was wasted chasing this Wayland bullshit. Wayland still has no real accessibility stack nor input method support. 16 years!!

          https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Accessibility/Wayland/
          this is a false argument that defenders of the cabal will use, they'll talk about wayland as just a display protocol and ignore the fact that freedestop is not just wayland, it's all the other bits that go together to standard everything a desktop needs. there's logind, dbus, mesa, xdg-portals, etc. Wayland didn't want to bake in assumptions about hardware into the display protocol and to avoid the xprint mistake, bringing things into wayland that are necessary for desktops but not specific to the display.

          what happened was a combination of gnome drinking the greenfield koolaid and tried to redesign things, like pushing out window decorations from the compositor. and then the cabal forcing any attempt to rebuild the desktop after x11 being deprecated saying well maybe I don't want this or maybe I don't want that, meaning no standards for the desktop could be established or if they could make some sort of standard, compositors (gnome) would just choose not to support it, because they don't want to standardize programmability in their desktop.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Phoronos View Post

            blablabla...
            Do the coding and show us code.
            Show us YOUR code.

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            • #16
              Valve getting more involved in this is a great thing imo. "You're letting corporations run Linux" is being spouted by the same dips**ts who slurp slurp slurp up IBM/Red Hat software. They're only bit**ing now because freedesktop's bs is getting called.

              I never really liked mess around with X, but Wayland is ret***ed to the point that you do have to wonder if it is an actual desktop Linux sabotage effort. Let's have everyone have to literally build a display server on their own if they want to make a WM, then we'll gimp the protocols with bs so it's hard to do. Fuc**ng brilliant.

              The big reason desktop Linux has gotten better is because of Valve. Not IBM, Red Hat, systemd etc. Hopefully valve continues to call these fuc**rs on their bul***it and basically just builds out their own display manager out of frog, making effectively an X12 that will be the new standard by default because it's so superior.​​​

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              • #17
                Originally posted by bkdwt View Post


                Gnome developers need to go to hell!
                Difficult to justify calling them developers at this point

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by bkdwt View Post
                  Valve getting more involved in this is a great thing imo. "You're letting corporations run Linux" is being spouted by the same dips**ts who slurp slurp slurp up IBM/Red Hat software. They're only bit**ing now because freedesktop's bs is getting called.

                  I never really liked mess around with X, but Wayland is ret***ed to the point that you do have to wonder if it is an actual desktop Linux sabotage effort. Let's have everyone have to literally build a display server on their own if they want to make a WM, then we'll gimp the protocols with bs so it's hard to do. Fuc**ng brilliant.

                  The big reason desktop Linux has gotten better is because of Valve. Not IBM, Red Hat, systemd etc. Hopefully valve continues to call these fuc**rs on their bul***it and basically just builds out their own display manager out of frog, making effectively an X12 that will be the new standard by default because it's so superior.​​​
                  ​Why even half-censor your dumb stupid nonsense? You are saying the word whether you type it out completely or not. Maybe it is you that is r******d.

                  Originally posted by Errinwright View Post

                  Difficult to justify calling them developers at this point
                  Were you rejected from other forums for posts like this?

                  i actually got dumber reading these posts

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by bkdwt View Post
                    Let's have everyone have to literally build a display server on their own if they want to make a WM, then we'll gimp the protocols with bs so it's hard to do. Fuc**ng brilliant.
                    still, Wayland brought a new wave of interesting projects being developed.

                    before that, the "market" of the desktop environments was stagnant.

                    not that I need all that choices or believe that it's good, but maybe it's easier or more interesting develop a Wayland compositor than build something on top of a X11 sever.
                    Last edited by cynic; 26 September 2024, 03:58 AM.

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                    • #20
                      Why is it that everybody wants to maintain Wayland, but nobody wants to maintain X?

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