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I thought the point of wayland was to move everything out of the display server and into client side libraries, toolkits, etc. so now we have this fragmented mess with no hope of one single standard implementation like we had with X.org. What a joke. Imagine if 16 years of development effort was spent renovating X, instead it was wasted chasing this Wayland bullshit. Wayland still has no real accessibility stack nor input method support. 16 years!!
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Originally posted by mxan View PostI thought the point of wayland was to move everything out of the display server and into client side libraries, toolkits, etc. so now we have this fragmented mess with no hope of one single standard implementation like we had with X.org. What a joke. Imagine if 16 years of development effort was spent renovating X, instead it was wasted chasing this Wayland bullshit. Wayland still has no real accessibility stack nor input method support. 16 years!!
https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Accessibility/Wayland/
what happened was a combination of gnome drinking the greenfield koolaid and tried to redesign things, like pushing out window decorations from the compositor. and then the cabal forcing any attempt to rebuild the desktop after x11 being deprecated saying well maybe I don't want this or maybe I don't want that, meaning no standards for the desktop could be established or if they could make some sort of standard, compositors (gnome) would just choose not to support it, because they don't want to standardize programmability in their desktop.
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Valve getting more involved in this is a great thing imo. "You're letting corporations run Linux" is being spouted by the same dips**ts who slurp slurp slurp up IBM/Red Hat software. They're only bit**ing now because freedesktop's bs is getting called.
I never really liked mess around with X, but Wayland is ret***ed to the point that you do have to wonder if it is an actual desktop Linux sabotage effort. Let's have everyone have to literally build a display server on their own if they want to make a WM, then we'll gimp the protocols with bs so it's hard to do. Fuc**ng brilliant.
The big reason desktop Linux has gotten better is because of Valve. Not IBM, Red Hat, systemd etc. Hopefully valve continues to call these fuc**rs on their bul***it and basically just builds out their own display manager out of frog, making effectively an X12 that will be the new standard by default because it's so superior.
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Originally posted by bkdwt View PostValve getting more involved in this is a great thing imo. "You're letting corporations run Linux" is being spouted by the same dips**ts who slurp slurp slurp up IBM/Red Hat software. They're only bit**ing now because freedesktop's bs is getting called.
I never really liked mess around with X, but Wayland is ret***ed to the point that you do have to wonder if it is an actual desktop Linux sabotage effort. Let's have everyone have to literally build a display server on their own if they want to make a WM, then we'll gimp the protocols with bs so it's hard to do. Fuc**ng brilliant.
The big reason desktop Linux has gotten better is because of Valve. Not IBM, Red Hat, systemd etc. Hopefully valve continues to call these fuc**rs on their bul***it and basically just builds out their own display manager out of frog, making effectively an X12 that will be the new standard by default because it's so superior.
Originally posted by Errinwright View Post
Difficult to justify calling them developers at this point
i actually got dumber reading these posts
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Originally posted by bkdwt View PostLet's have everyone have to literally build a display server on their own if they want to make a WM, then we'll gimp the protocols with bs so it's hard to do. Fuc**ng brilliant.
before that, the "market" of the desktop environments was stagnant.
not that I need all that choices or believe that it's good, but maybe it's easier or more interesting develop a Wayland compositor than build something on top of a X11 sever.
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