Mir 2.18 Released With Wayland Server-Side Decorations

[robojerk]

Weird that this turned into a Gnome hate thread. Good updates from the Mir team, I'm glad they're still pushing on at a good pace. I still dream of what could have been... but alas. Wayland is here.

✔️ "Are we talking about Wayland?"
✔️ "Are we talking about SSD or/vs/& CSD?"

Opinions are coming out.... Although I thought I was replying to the comment about if Ubuntu would drop Gnome on page 1. I got called away and hit Post rashly. I don't think they would drop Gnome at least not right now.. I do think they would "look into" making mir a drop in replacement for mutter, support other DE's (that forked from Gnome). They seem like the type of business that wouldn't wanted to be handcuffed to the radical decision of one particular DE opting out of what the rest of the field is doing.

[Daktyl198]

Weird that this turned into a Gnome hate thread. Good updates from the Mir team, I'm glad they're still pushing on at a good pace. I still dream of what could have been... but alas. Wayland is here.

[Shiba]

Mutter, as far as I know is the only compositor that doesn't have any sort of Server Side Decorations (SSD), not even as a fallback.

That's GNOME going full echo chamber a long time ago, to protect the devs and blah blah we are so righteous. They decided everyone who doesn't agree with them is literally Hitler, so whenever someone makes a stupid decision you have to wait a decade or so until someone with common sense joins the team and asks «why the hell don't we have a reboot button?»

[robojerk]

But what if I want to run it in windowed mode?

Play the game full screen and forget about it.

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[krzyzowiec]

Why should game devs who want to bring a port to linux now be burdoned to add to their code base by also writing window decorations?

Play the game full screen and forget about it.

[robojerk]

Mutter, as far as I know is the only compositor that doesn't have any sort of Server Side Decorations (SSD), not even as a fallback. There have been some issues with some apps that assume the system will provide decorations. A better known example is the Linux native game Factorio (blog post). Why should game devs who want to bring a port to linux now be burdoned to add to their code base by also writing window decorations? You can still use Client Side Decorations (CSD) on a SSD compositor.

[Gabbb]

“Increasingly”? GNOME UI design and workflow hasn’t really changed much over the last few years. BTW Unity was still mostly using GNOME apps and itself was built largely around GNOME-y technologies like Clutter.

Maybe I misspoke. Gnome 40 got released a little over 3 years ago & I have still not recovered from the shock. Since then it got incrementally worse, but only a bit worse.

I'm thinking on the Ubuntu side of things, the workload to port the relevant extensions to "fix" this could be increasing year by year.

[mxan]

I wonder if they are willing to give up Gnome now, or is this a one person pet project? (Gnome devs and their ui/gui ideas are increasingly a problem)

“Increasingly”? GNOME UI design and workflow hasn’t really changed much over the last few years. BTW Unity was still mostly using GNOME apps and itself was built largely around GNOME-y technologies like Clutter.

[mxan]

TYPO “for assembly Wayland shells” should be “for assembling”

[spicfoo]

I wonder if they are willing to give up Gnome now, or is this a one person pet project?

It looks like a pet project. Canonical doesn't make money on the Linux desktop and they figured out as many other vendors before them that desktop users are very demanding while offering very little in actual business value and laid off most off their desktop/mobile team and abandoned Unity at the same time. Since then, they have steadily increased back their participation in GNOME.