GNOME Mutter Merges XDG Session Management Wayland Protocol

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  • phoronix
    Administrator
    • Jan 2007
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    GNOME Mutter Merges XDG Session Management Wayland Protocol

    Phoronix: GNOME Mutter Merges XDG Session Management Wayland Protocol

    As a very last minute change ahead of tagging GNOME Mutter 47, merged this morning to Mutter is support for the XDG session management Wayland protocol. This protocol is useful for letting clients request support from the compositor for saving the window state for use on future executions. However, it's currently disabled by default and won't be entirely baked until GNOME 48...

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  • ahrs
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2021
    • 586

    #2
    Originally posted by phoronix View Post
    Phoronix: GNOME Mutter Merges XDG Session Management Wayland Protocol

    …even though there is no support for X11 applications, the per-window details that are saved are specified in a windowing-specific manner.
    That makes sense given its a Wayland protocol. Presumably XWayland could add support though in order to bridge whatever X11 does?

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    • aviallon
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2022
      • 294

      #3
      Enlightenment is still alive?!

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      • ahrs
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2021
        • 586

        #4
        Originally posted by aviallon View Post
        Enlightenment is still alive?!
        It was one of the first desktops to support Wayland. It's a thing. You probably don't want to use it but it's a thing.

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        • QwertyChouskie
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2017
          • 638

          #5
          Once Mutter supports a protocol, it's probably pretty close to upstreaming.

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          • loganj
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2017
            • 608

            #6
            is this protocol in the making for the last 4 years????

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            • muncrief
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2016
              • 866

              #7
              Good god. As I've said many times before Wayland is an unfathomable mess. Even the most basic things, like moving and resizing and overlapping windows, and saving their state, still requires special monumental effort.

              I have no idea why anyone would have picked it to supersede X, as even with XWayland it will never be a drop in replacement. And from the way things are going it will still take many more years to become fully functional. And even then many legacy X applications whose developers don't have the resources to rewrite them for Wayland will be lost.

              It was a huge mistake, and even if it does ever work it will result in an even more fragmented Linux infrastructure than now, though I assume that eventually, over the decades, one group of components will eventually prevail.
              Last edited by muncrief; 15 September 2024, 02:40 AM.

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              • emansom
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2015
                • 138

                #8
                More robustness is always welcome! Hopefully this and other future work will bring the ability for GNOME, to survive driver and compositor crashes in the near future.

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                • finalzone
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 1219

                  #9
                  Originally posted by muncrief View Post
                  Good god. As I've said many times before Wayland is an unfathomable mess. Even the most basic things, like moving and resizing and overlapping windows, and saving their state, still requires special monumental effort.

                  I have no idea why anyone would have picked it to supersede X, as even with XWayland it will never be a drop in replacement. And from the way things are going it will still take many more years to become fully functional. And even then many legacy X applications whose developers don't have the resources to rewrite them for Wayland will be lost.

                  It was huge mistake, and even if it does ever work it will result in an even more fragmented Linux infrastructure than now, though I assume that eventually, over the decades, one group of components will eventually prevail.
                  X server was a mess before. Let's stop pretending it was well organized during its latest forty years of existence.

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                  • Topolino
                    Phoronix Member
                    • Jun 2024
                    • 116

                    #10
                    This will land after 47.0

                    It's not the first time Hergert show the power of sysprof at the end of a development sprint. Let's see what happens when Ubuntu 24.10 also bundles sysprof.

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