Miracle-WM Announced As A Wayland Compositor Built On Mir

[Luke]

Significantly easier to make. TilingWM users are used to their environment being barebones as hell, with no settings app, no themes, no usable taskbar, etc. Floating WM users expect most of a functioning desktop. It's why Wayfire hasn't taken off despite being a reasonably good floating WM: it has no "environment" to go with it, so it's stuck with all the crappy keyboard-shortcut based tools that Tiling WM's use, despite being floating (and thus mouse focused).

Re: wayfire: That's changing! Wayfire works very nicely with MATE from git master or newly released 1.28. We even have the experimental mate-wayland-session which uses wayfire as GNOME 2 and compiz worked so well together and compiz is still popular on MATE in x11. For a more generic wayland session, mate-panel/mate-applets/mate-media will give you what (in my admittedly biased judgement) is the best wayland panel, and caja can show desktop icons when started with --force-desktop. They work with any wlroots based compositor supported gtk-layer-shell not just wayfire, so you can use them with the tiling compositors as well in the same way some folks use i3 with MATE on x11.

[reba]

I'd love to see a somewhat "no-nonsense" shell that allows for some tasteful animations, allows both tiling and floating modes, simple and clean configurations syntax, etc. More than just a bare-bones tiling manager, but simpler than a full-blow desktop environment. A shell that can do more than the former, but tends to get more "out of your way" than the later.

Shameless labwc recommendation github, homepage

[gotar]

Contrary to what xorg heads ran with as propaganda, seems like wayland has provided a fertile ground from where modern DE:s can grow.!

...and simply fade away, as most of the compositors I've bookmarked received no further updates after initial announcement.

The soil that makes everything rot is not called "fertile" in my dictionary.

[varikonniemi]

...and simply fade away, as most of the compositors I've bookmarked received no further updates after initial announcement.

The soil that makes everything rot is not called "fertile" in my dictionary.

how does this differ from similar projects on x? In no way. It's just the nature of things. Not all projects succeed.

Also, how many X implementations rotted away before everyone standardized on the current one? It would be identical to all wayland implementations except wlroots faded away. So things look much brighter in wayland land.

[gotar]

how does this differ from similar projects on x? In no way.

That noone claims "X11 is a fertile ground".

Also, how many X implementations rotted away before everyone standardized on the current one?

I'm using X11 for 25+ years only, therefore I recall just one that's gone: XFree86.

It would be identical to all wayland implementations except wlroots faded away. So things look much brighter in wayland land.

You seem to mistreat wayland implementations as X11, while in this context you should compare it to WMs.
People don't roll their own wayland compositors because they need different display server (~X11), but because they want different window/desktop management.

Actually wlroots can be treated as the only portable and reusable Wayland implementation, therefore wlroots~X11 (display server and boilerplate), while wlroots-based compositors~WMs/DMs.

From that perspective there is currently only one "common" display server (wlroots) and a bunch of incompatible ones (including KDE and especially incompatible GNOME).

You state that propagating incompatibilities (due to the lack of protocols, creating them late or marking them as optional) is "brighter"?

I remember many dramas with different concurrent implementations, including core ones (eglibc) and that was never brighter.

And I'm worried now, there will forever be GNOME-only applications.

[guglovich]

Wayland for young people from Canonical.

[SViN]

Source?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3O40cPUqLbU

[royce]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3O40cPUqLbU

I'm not seeing anything there that current wayland compositors can't do. What wayland does have is real-world usage and adoption.

[SViN]

I'm not seeing anything there that current wayland compositors can't do. What wayland does have is real-world usage and adoption.

I posted that because that was 10 years ago.

if you want something more current we can talk about the fact that it surpassed X feature parity and security about 4 years ago

https://arcan-fe.com/2020/12/03/arcan-versus-xorg-feature-parity-and-beyond/

Reality is:
1. When you only deal with 1 implementation
2. When you don't have to deal with bureaucracy(yes wayland should have a BDFL)
3. When you actually work instead of arguing with the needs of others and voting

shit gets done

[royce]

I posted that because that was 10 years ago.

if you want something more current we can talk about the fact that it surpassed X feature parity and security about 4 years ago

https://arcan-fe.com/2020/12/03/arcan-versus-xorg-feature-parity-and-beyond/

Reality is:
1. When you only deal with 1 implementation
2. When you don't have to deal with bureaucracy(yes wayland should have a BDFL)
3. When you actually work instead of arguing with the needs of others and voting

shit gets done

Show me a current window manager or desktop environment using Arcan so that we can compare. Otherwise it's just fluff in the air and theoreticals.