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  • #11
    Originally posted by Lachu View Post
    Sorry for I asks. As far as I known, Mir is a Wayland compositor, allowing to use external window manager. So, why Miracle-WM is called "Wayland Compositor"?
    Mir is a display server. Originally it was a modern alternative to Xorg, but since Wayland was preferred Mir morphed into a Wayland compositor.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by bachchain View Post
      What is it with people making tiling compositors? Every other week, another tiler gets announced. Meanwhile, there's like four stacking/hybrid in total.
      Tiling window managers are actually a bit more "simple" to handle, while it seems more complex at first, for floating/hybrid window management you actually have a LOT of edge cases to deal with, "What if user puts the window mostly off screen" "What if window is occluded by other windows" "What if window is too small", "What if window is too big" etc. These may be easy problems to deal with in isolation, but they wind up adding up, you then have other basic stuff like "Shift click drag to move" "Shift click drag to resize" Snapping etc. All of these are now considered "basic" features.

      so in the end doing tiling window management actually winds up being a lot more simple.

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      • #13
        looking at the roadmap this is really cool.
        It could potentially be a great window manager for people like me who hate configuration files

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        • #14
          I've been using gnome for a few days after years of sway and it sucks, it's just tiling but worse because you have to manually piss about arranging desktops and god forbid you open a new window in a desktop with an existing window because it hides the existing window (why would anyone want that?). So then you alt tab everything to be navigable and that sucks ass when you use many desktops.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Kjell View Post
            This community is always complaining whenever something new comes out

            I'm personally glad to see new & innovative projects like this!
            Same thing every time here.

            Someone releases free and open source software, users on phoronix complain. Rinse repeat

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            • #16
              Originally posted by espi View Post

              Mir is a display server. Originally it was a modern alternative to Xorg, but since Wayland was preferred Mir morphed into a Wayland compositor.
              It's actually really funny, because Mir was basically X12 in the sense that it was meant to do everything the X.org server did, but without all of the legacy crap that made X11 bad. It was solving all of the issues that Wayland has been having for the last 12 years pretty much right out of the gate, as it was an actual display server and not just a loose set of protocols.

              But everybody shit on it in favor of Wayland. And now over a decade later we still don't have a fully usable desktop with Wayland, and all of the Wayland haters could have had a modern X if only they spoke up in favor of Mir. But now they're stuck because god forbid anybody support an Ubuntu project LOL

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              • #17
                Originally posted by dlq84 View Post

                Same thing every time here.

                Someone releases free and open source software, users on phoronix complain. Rinse repeat
                Absolutely love when there's new and faster software and this community's reaction is: "nobody asked for this, shove it up your a.."

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Kjell View Post
                  This community is always complaining
                  True ...............

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post
                    It's actually really funny, because Mir was basically X12 in the sense that it was meant to do everything the X.org server did, but without all of the legacy crap that made X11 bad. It was solving all of the issues that Wayland has been having for the last 12 years pretty much right out of the gate, as it was an actual display server and not just a loose set of protocols.

                    But everybody shit on it in favor of Wayland. And now over a decade later we still don't have a fully usable desktop with Wayland, and all of the Wayland haters could have had a modern X if only they spoke up in favor of Mir. But now they're stuck because god forbid anybody support an Ubuntu project LOL
                    This is an interesting "take" and I don't mean that as in opinion, but insight into things. I don't have any background into any of this to know the validity, but is interesting to hear this input. This got me thinking about how Mir/X12/X11 could be seen as a more monolithic entity, whereas Wayland would be purely modular. Bear with me here, I am a non-expert thinking out loud...

                    So then I was wondering if you could almost create a "microkernel" type of display server, where the core is solid and handles only whatever core stuff. On top of this core could sit modules. New modules could be created as need arose or technology changed. Old ones could be depreicated. Maybe some of this is already how some of this works. And maybe not at all and just a bad idea. Like I said, I'm a non-expert who started thinking.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by varikonniemi View Post
                      Contrary to what xorg heads ran with as propaganda, seems like wayland has provided a fertile ground from where modern DE:s can grow.

                      Personally i am not so sure Mir is the right puzzle piece to use, since it was not even designed with wayland in mind. But i am glad to be proven wrong, and wish the project all the best!
                      another out of the blue attack on xorg users that have only expressed difficulty or issues with wayland. very typically of the average wayland head.

                      it's funny that the wayland head is accepting that wayland might need more than just kde and gnome (both not even designed with wayland in mind) to be truly successful. That is a welcome change of heart and maybe wayland promoters aren't all totally stubborn people.

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