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  • #11
    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

    Same, though it's rather funny how in 15 years of Wayland the situation has gone from Xorg to Xorg behind a Wayland layer because actually replacing Xorg feature for feature, use for use, is difficult.

    No, I'm not gonna make an EEE comment. Adding your window manager is like 30 lines of Python.
    Given that in 2025 X.org is getting dropped for good by pretty much all Linux distros (sans maybe Devuan), it's not funny at all.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by avis View Post

      Given that in 2025 X.org is getting dropped for good by pretty much all Linux distros (sans maybe Devuan), it's not funny at all.
      Nah, it is pretty funny for people who can take a joke

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      • #13
        Isn't that what Xephyr has been providing forever?

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        • #14
          Originally posted by User42 View Post
          Isn't that what Xephyr has been providing forever?
          Nope. Xephr requires a Xorg server since it's just nesting it.

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          • #15
            Will these new utilities have any usefulness for other Linux distros' or will these be for Redhat only systems?

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            • #16
              Originally posted by castlefox View Post
              Will these new utilities have any usefulness for other Linux distros' or will these be for Redhat only systems?
              There is nothing at all vendor specific about anything here. All of this is upstream work as usual

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              • #17
                Originally posted by User42 View Post
                Isn't that what Xephyr has been providing forever?
                XWayland in rootful mode is pretty much Xephyr, yes, except that XWayland is a Wayland client, while Xephyr is an X11 client.


                Originally posted by castlefox View Post
                Will these new utilities have any usefulness for other Linux distros' or will these be for Redhat only systems?
                They appear to just be Python scripts, and the readme doesn't mention anything that's distro specific so it seems like it should work on other Linux distros too. You can check for yourself here: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/ofourdan/xwayland-run

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by NeoMorpheus View Post
                  Our local X defender will chime in in how this is also not good enough and we must keep X forever in 3,2,1...
                  never in the history of time has running old working code been so maligned. internet explorer users had it easy compared to xorg users.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by fitzie View Post

                    never in the history of time has running old working code been so maligned. internet explorer users had it easy compared to xorg users.
                    Not really. You can keep using xorg. The distros using it wont be deleted from the internet and no one will break into your house to remove xorg.

                    What you wont get however is as many technical people spending their time and money to keep it working and fixing bugs etc. this will be left for xorg x11 users to organise within themselves and maybe even find a new benevokent dictator.

                    AFAIK SunOS/Solaris is not Wayland ready and Oracle is many times bigger than even IBM, so it could easily take that role. It just wont be Red Hat.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by fitzie View Post

                      never in the history of time has running old working code been so maligned. internet explorer users had it easy compared to xorg users.
                      Speaking of being maligned, you just compared Xorg to Internet Explorer. That's the worst insult to Xorg that I have ever seen

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