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  • #11
    Originally posted by david-nk View Post

    The year of the Linux desktop was around 2012 or so, I have little hope that things will get back to the first class desktop experience from back then, at least not in the next 20 years.
    There was everything back then when Compiz was the standard, from 3d workspace switchers to arbitrarily being able to smoothly zoom in to any part of the screen and many other useful features.
    Yeah, the 3D workspace switcher... Nice to show off, but an otherwise utterly useless feature. About as useful as the gazillion of animations available when closing or opening a window.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Tuxee View Post

      Yeah, the 3D workspace switcher... Nice to show off, but an otherwise utterly useless feature. About as useful as the gazillion of animations available when closing or opening a window.
      It's useful at least in trying to sell the idea of Linux to non-Linux people. Most of the public authorities around the world still use Windows PCs. A clean UI, well-rendered fonts, smooth animations and the like make for a good first impression. But those things are viewed by most of the OSS community as not only being low priority, but to have zero importance.

      Things like the zoom feature on the other hand are actually extremely useful. Even now, a decade later, I sometimes try to zoom in on something only to realize every time that the feature no longer exists.
      Last edited by david-nk; 30 August 2023, 07:28 PM.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by caligula View Post

        Not really. Netbrains idea is kind of backwards. They're using Java instead of js electron. On desktop. Desktop Java is dead. Also they're using the local file system. The ide should be written in pure untyped js, and it should communicate with a node/mongo backed via a language server protocol (rest) using Json. The frontend should use tailwind css and react.js in 2023.
        Hehe. Luckily the devs disagree with you ...

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        • #14
          Originally posted by david-nk View Post

          The year of the Linux desktop was around 2012 or so, I have little hope that things will get back to the first class desktop experience from back then, at least not in the next 20 years.
          There was everything back then when Compiz was the standard, from 3d workspace switchers to arbitrarily being able to smoothly zoom in to any part of the screen and many other useful features.
          Compiz was literally slapped on, Rendering of windows was dog slow (often did take seconds to resize them).
          Other than showing of by moving stuff around it was useless and the stupidest thing in a long while. "Wow my window now opens up with a 3d animation, that's totally worth having a delay of a roundtrip to the moon when typing"

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          • #15
            Too damn late. I have switched to vscode loong time ago. It works on wayland great and also is much faster and comfortable then pycharm that i used to code in.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by david-nk View Post

              Things like the zoom feature on the other hand are actually extremely useful. Even now, a decade later, I sometimes try to zoom in on something only to realize every time that the feature no longer exists.
              Maybe it's not exactly the same but Plasma has a 'Zoom' plugin in Desktop effects. Default key combo seems to be Meta+= and Meta+- keys.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by caligula View Post

                Not really. Netbrains idea is kind of backwards. They're using Java instead of js electron. On desktop. Desktop Java is dead. Also they're using the local file system. The ide should be written in pure untyped js, and it should communicate with a node/mongo backed via a language server protocol (rest) using Json. The frontend should use tailwind css and react.js in 2023.
                I hope it was sarcasm from your side. If not, well...

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                • #18
                  They lost me as a customer years ago because of the unusable HiDPI mess. Hopefully this will improve it.
                  ## VGA ##
                  AMD: X1950XTX, HD3870, HD5870
                  Intel: GMA45, HD3000 (Core i5 2500K)

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by caligula View Post

                    Not really. Netbrains idea is kind of backwards. They're using Java instead of js electron. On desktop. Desktop Java is dead. Also they're using the local file system. The ide should be written in pure untyped js, and it should communicate with a node/mongo backed via a language server protocol (rest) using Json. The frontend should use tailwind css and react.js in 2023.
                    I wonder, why do you think that the IDE should be written in pure JS (I guess as opposed to TypeScript)?

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by caligula View Post

                      Not really. Netbrains idea is kind of backwards. They're using Java instead of js electron. On desktop. Desktop Java is dead. Also they're using the local file system. The ide should be written in pure untyped js, and it should communicate with a node/mongo backed via a language server protocol (rest) using Json. The frontend should use tailwind css and react.js in 2023.
                      There are native cross platform UI toolkits in existence. Do we truly need to write desktop applications in JS and Java?

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