XWayland Lands Fix For At Least One Game Hanging It & Causing 100% CPU Usage

[SSJBurger]

Bias is kind of inescapable. I think the issue is fanaticism to some degree or just the human love for making blanket statements.

Agreed.

[Myownfriend]

The whole BSOD infamy thing only comes from the state of 90s hardware anyway, due to the great capacitor plague. Windows BSOD'd all the time because the hardware was faulty straight out of the factory. If Linux was as big as Windows then, it would have had an even worse reputation. Windows XP is very stable, I never had a problem with it. And 9x was never a serious product to begin with, it was a bridge product to get people from DOS to NT, so it's not like it was even meant to be rock solid.

I feel like it's giving Microsoft a huge out by saying 9x wasn't meant to be serious or rock solid. Windows as a whole was made by the launch of Windows 95 and businesses, schools, and homes relies on the 9x series to be solid. I'm sure Microsoft wanted to transition people to NT since like '94 or something but they needed people to use and stay on 9x for the next 6 or 7 years in order to even do that.

[Ironmask]

I feel like it's giving Microsoft a huge out by saying 9x wasn't meant to be serious or rock solid. Windows as a whole was made by the launch of Windows 95 and businesses, schools, and homes relies on the 9x series to be solid. I'm sure Microsoft wanted to transition people to NT since like '94 or something but they needed people to use and stay on 9x for the next 6 or 7 years in order to even do that.

Well, the issue is, due to backwards compatibility with existing DOS drivers and software that relied on certain quirks of DOS, 9x couldn't be rock solid. The whole OS is made out of VxD drivers and the kernel had to be put in unprotected memory, and of course it had to use FAT which is pretty much a self-destructing filesystem.
9x was designed from the ground up to mimic NT in the most primitive and insane way so that people could port their DOS software to it, which then would automatically work on NT when they were ready to make it a consumer OS.

[Vistaus]

While I disagree that hanging is a "normal state in dektop linux world", (I personally experienced it only once in the last few years), it's true that the Windows graphics infrastructure (WDDM) is more mature and robust than what we have on Linux. This is one of the few areas where WIndows is technically more advanced. For example on WIndows, incorrect graphics api usage will probably just lead to app crash, while on Linux it will lead to GPU hang. This is especially true with Vulkan. Another example is how each OS handles monitor power cycling: On Windows it's completely robust - no crashes, nothing. On KDE it leads to plasma desktop crashes and on Gnome it sometimes causes game crashes.

No issues with monitor power cycling on KDE Plasma.

[Vistaus]

I have gotten literally two BSoDs in my life, one from the GPU physically dying and the other from my RAM physically dying.
By the way, those would have caused Linux to kernel panic as well.

I've never encountered a kernel panic on Linux with dying RAM, and I've been using Linux for at least 15 years now.

[Vistaus]

The whole BSOD infamy thing only comes from the state of 90s hardware anyway, due to the great capacitor plague. Windows BSOD'd all the time because the hardware was faulty straight out of the factory. If Linux was as big as Windows then, it would have had an even worse reputation. Windows XP is very stable, I never had a problem with it. And 9x was never a serious product to begin with, it was a bridge product to get people from DOS to NT, so it's not like it was even meant to be rock solid.

Watch out before some of the fanboys here will correct you about Windows stability in the 90's.

[Myownfriend]

Well, the issue is, due to backwards compatibility with existing DOS drivers and software that relied on certain quirks of DOS, 9x couldn't be rock solid. The whole OS is made out of VxD drivers and the kernel had to be put in unprotected memory, and of course it had to use FAT which is pretty much a self-destructing filesystem.
9x was designed from the ground up to mimic NT in the most primitive and insane way so that people could port their DOS software to it, which then would automatically work on NT when they were ready to make it a consumer OS.

I get the point you're making in the context of the discussion being Windows, as it was then and as it is now, vs Linux, as it was than and is now, but I'm just saying that saying 9x wasn't a serious product anyway makes it seem like that was well-understood at the time. Microsoft certainly had to convince/mislead (however you wanna put it) tens or hundreds of millions of people that 9x was a serious product as it was Microsoft's largest and most public-facing product had to be successful for long enough that they could get people from point A to point B.

[user1]

No issues with monitor power cycling on KDE Plasma.

It didn't happen every single time, but I remember sometimes having the exact same issue on Xfce as well. Interestingly, Mate is the only DE I tried where it never caused any issue, but that's probably because Mate doesn't have monitor auto-detection, so of course there shouldn't be any issues in this case. Still, the fact that Windows never had any issues with monitor power cycling but Linux does with almost all DE's, tells that something is wrong in the graphics stack.

[fagnerln]

The funny part is that 95% of the comments aren't related to the post. WTF. Why they started this Linux x Windows bullshit.

What is curious about it is that RE6 and RER2 are both the less played RE games. Maybe with this hype of RE4 Remake, people started a marathon with the RE games.

[Ironmask]

The funny part is that 95% of the comments aren't related to the post. WTF.

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