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  • #51
    Originally posted by MrCooper View Post

    Shouldn't be necessary ever, and isn't for me and many others.

    Make sure there are reports about issues you encounter.
    Yes, it is.
    When all Gnome apps freeze (happens once in a while, sometimes because of a bad handling of mounted drives, sometimes because of Gnome instabilities), when Gnome eats up twice the RAM of the session start RAM (a refresh solves that), when you get some kind of artifacts, when you play with theme customizations (sometimes they don't apply straight away if you don't reset), for extensions update not to disappear temporarily from the Extensions app and display correctly on the Extensions web portal. Logging out and back in is a horrible hassle to solve these issues.

    Originally posted by MrCooper View Post
    Works fine here with gThumb 3.11.2, both native Wayland and with GDK_BACKEND=x11.
    It works fine with Xorg but not with wayland for me (on both Manjaro and Ubuntu and 2 different computers).


    Also, reporting bugs is time-consuming, especially in the wayland case, because nobody is taking responsibility for the issues and you're bounced back from one to the other, sometimes having to start over a few times. I only file bugs when it's a real blocker. And for now Xorg is working perfectly fine for me, so I'm not wasting my time if it can be easily avoided. Maybe when X becomes problematic, and if it hasn't been ironed out already, I will spend more time to it.
    Last edited by Mez'; 18 February 2021, 10:40 AM.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by curfew View Post
      Is this some form of autism? It is a compatibility layer implemented as a Wayland client. Why do you think they are mutually exclusive?
      Sure. Is Xwayland also an X server for X clients then?

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Mez' View Post
        It works fine with Xorg but not with wayland for me (on both Manjaro and Ubuntu and 2 different computers).
        Not sure about Manjaro but Ubuntu's Wayland implementation used to be fairly broken (20.04)... Should be in good shape for next release..

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        • #54
          Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
          Honestly the DPI issues are a temporary thing whilst too many consumers are buying absurdly high resolution screens. This will resolve itself once people realize they can save a bit on battery power avoiding such things.
          IMO, it is unlikely that screen resolution decreases... Screens get cheaper quickly, and computation power is getting better and consumes less energy. Many like that they don't see any pixels, ever.. Still we will likely see display resolution stabilizing at some resolutions, e.g. 4K or 8K depending on display size. What screen size do you need to distinguish 8K and 16K?

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          • #55
            Originally posted by Hibbelharry View Post
            I think this has wrong and false assumptions. I also tend to think the first thing is likely to happen, and developers with X11 applications will be starting to validate their erffort against Xwayland, so that full xorg x11 will get bitrot. Not instantly, but steadily.

            I think you're also right in your belief, that xwayland will become kind of a common demoninator, but it will never be the full xorg x11 packages: It won't drive any hardware, it will not render fonts, it will not be a compositor,... and I think this makes "just another Xserver" a wrong assumption.
            It most definitely will render fonts, or the whole Xwayland will be useless, without any text display. It will need both to render both old bitmap fonts for compatibility, as well as vector fonts like TrueType using XFT.
            Last time I checked libXft was a X11 application.
            https://github.com/freedesktop/libXft

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            • #56
              Originally posted by CommunityMember View Post

              Could you please provide the audited source reference (from a reputable research firm) for that number.....
              Here is one statistics that puts Wayland usage at 9%. And even that is way too high with respect to the general population. We are talking a niche of a niche here.
              So no mainstream company cares much about Wayland, much less making big researches about it.
              https://www.gamingonlinux.com/users/statistics
              I have several thousand Linux customers, nobody is using Wayland, and they will never be reported on a gaming site.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by mppix View Post

                That would be Gnome 3.36 but XOrg is still there :P
                As long as they refuse to support server side decorations, GNOME is not an option.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by Shiba View Post
                  As long as they refuse to support server side decorations, GNOME is not an option.
                  So never..
                  Btw why do you care? Why shouldn't all decorations should come from the same place?

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by Shiba View Post

                    As long as they refuse to support server side decorations, GNOME is not an option.
                    It's not really big blocker. It's not like SSD is only option for every compositor. xdg-decoration is not mandatory after all.
                    Last edited by dragon321; 18 February 2021, 06:42 PM.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by duby229 View Post
                      EDIT: Almost -all- Linux applications are running on xwayland when in a Wayland session. There are only a handful of exceptions and most of those handful are buggy as hell. Hence the -entire- reason why 94% of all linux users are still on xorg...
                      Well I don't know where you live, but right now, apart for the whole GNOME desktop, Firefox and Thunderbird are running natively on Wayland. So does every GTK3+ / Qt5+ app I have installed and use - Genius, Cherrytree, Inkscape, Audacity, Evolution, Pitivi, Shotwell, Rhythmbox, Wireshark, Libre Office, Eclipse, virt-manager etc etc etc. Many Java-based apps do too. GIMP and VLC are coming along in their next releases. In fact the only apps that do NOT work in pure wayland right now or will likely not get there before the end of the year are legacy apps (xedit, xeyes... lol), all the electron-based stuff, blender and steam.

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