Wayland 1.19 Released With Small Protocol Updates, Fixes

[CochainComplex]

You forgot to add:..

since it is opensource everyone can contribute I have accepted your merge request

for [wayland, nvidia, x11, amd, opensourcedriver, mesa] in headline
 print("x11 is great")
 print("nvidia just works")
 if ($USER == birdie)
  print("Windows is better anyway")
 endif
 print("wayland is not stable")
 print("never amd again")
 print("wayland is not a compositor")
 print("AMD has superb OS Driver")
 print("blob")
 print("Multimonitor support broken")
 print("tear free")
 print("what mesa and kernel version ?")
 print((quote("F*** you Nvidia","Linus Torvalds", htmlLink))
 print("no freesync")
 print("how come they will not support my esoteric use case?")
 print("why don't you contribute?")
 print("you are a dumb" profane_variable_describing_some_bodily_function_o r_the_rectum)
end

[mppix]

That's the problem. It's compositor specific. Clearly crafted from the start to be by GNOME for GNOME.

Actually no, there is not need for compositor-specific implementations.
However yes, it is (and should be) a independent project: xdgportal (often combined with pipewire) is being adopted almost universally including for use with flatpak.

What we are actually missing is a remote desktop protocol beyond vnc.

[mppix]

Wayland does not lock out anything. It's not a program. Nvidia decided to go a different path with eglstreams and now developers have to maintain one code path to make their compositors work with nvidia, and another to work with all the other vendors (intel and amd) which use generic kernel based interfaces. Unsurprisingly many developers aren't rushing to support elgstreams.

As of now, EGLstreams has problems that cannot be solved by developers outside Nvidia. Hence, wayland desktops on Nvidia have limitations.
We will see if Nvidia cares enough to expand EGLstreams. However based on their recent activity on enabling "Wayland on Vulkan," they may be betting on that one..

[mppix]

After all these years I still have no reason to switch to wayland. Xorg works fine for me and has all features that I need. Using wayland compositors in current state is a regression for me. Even Gnome doesn't support server-side decorations, so you can't easily move or minimize some windows. Also some reasonable window managers/DEs like Openbox or XFCE don't have wayland support.

And don't tell me that wayland is just a protocol and all DEs, libraries like SDL2, applications have to reinvent the wheel and write a lot of code to support some basic features. Why i.e. it's not possible to create official "libdecoration" library, so that all application could easily use it instead of creating their own "ugly but functional" decorations? Why as an application developer should I care about stupid decorations at all?

Do you speak about "wayland compositor" vs "wayland - the protocol"?
Then, why not do it with the GUI toolkits? They define all the rest of the look-and-feel?

[f0rmat]

since it is opensource everyone can contribute I have accepted your merge request

for [wayland, nvidia, x11, amd, opensourcedriver, mesa] in headline
print("x11 is great")
print("nvidia just works")
if ($USER == birdie)
print("Windows is better anyway")
endif
print("wayland is not stable")
print("never amd again")
print("wayland is not a compositor")
print("AMD has superb OS Driver")
print("blob")
print("Multimonitor support broken")
print("tear free")
print("what mesa and kernel version ?")
print((quote("F*** you Nvidia","Linus Torvalds", htmlLink))
print("no freesync")
print("how come they will not support my esoteric use case?")
print("why don't you contribute?")
print("you are a dumb" profane_variable_describing_some_bodily_function_o r_the_rectum)
end

Thank you, thank you!!! My first merge request to Guest git has been accepted!!!!! Time to get a rack of helles and celebrate.

[tildearrow]

As a shitty developer myself, I completely support the attitude of the Wayland (and Gnome) fanpeople. It works on my machine, therefore it works.

So, it works for you (and your use case).

But it does not mean it will work for other people.

[f0rmat]

So, it works for you (and your use case).

But it does not mean it will work for other people.

You are absolutely right. And that is the crux to the whole linux ecosphere. Everyone is free to choose what works for their use case and everyone is free to complain about what does not work for their use case and everyone is free to contribute and everyone is free to have their contribution accepted or rejected, and everyone (like what I try to do) is free to send bug reports and provide constructive feedback and polite recommendations if they do not have the skills to program in c or c++ or whatever the language is that is needed to fix the problem that the user finds.

I can spell c and c++ (if I am able to consult my dictionary - FORTRAN was my specialty), but I am certainly not going to look a gift horse in the mouth and whine and b**ch because I cannot get something that is unique to me. Do I wish things were more suitable for me? Yes. And I going to gripe and whine? No. Am I contributing? Yes, but only by aggressively filing bug reports because I have neither the skill or time to learn the programming skills required.

On another note, I think the favorite wine of many linux users is "I want the devs to cater to my use case!" It is always a recent vintage, but there are some old ones out there. "I have a TRS-80, why don't the devs build a kernel for it?"

Your acerbic insight is always appreciated - at least by me.

[Vistaus]

Guess what? Even under Wayland I get stuttering.

No, no, no, that's impossible. Wayland is bug-free and the best thing since sliced bread, so stuttering is impossible. I mean... right, Wayland fans?

Joking aside, while I can't remember any stuttering, I also feel like Wayland isn't exactly smooth yet.

[mkrupcale]

Why i.e. it's not possible to create official "libdecoration" library, so that all application could easily use it instead of creating their own "ugly but functional" decorations? Why as an application developer should I care about stupid decorations at all?

Funny you should mention that. Looks like it is possible to do just that[1].

[1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/jadahl/libdecoration

[birdie]

GNOME/Mutter is "THE" wayland compositor.

Nope, it has never been, and it's not suitable for all the small projects which do not want to bring Gnome dependencies.

IOW you've proven me right, thanks.