Announcement

**Sethox** · 28 January 2021, 04:16 AM

The funny thing is, you can see the people that just reads the headlines and those that read up on things, and even those that does not get what is what only buzzwords "thus-I-need-to-give-my-two-pieces". Opinions are great, go at it all you want but without context/merit/solid/constructive argument, well.. it will sound stupid.

**JackLilhammers** · 28 January 2021, 05:08 AM

birdie
tildearrow

As a shitty developer myself, I completely support the attitude of the Wayland (and Gnome) fanpeople. It works on my machine, therefore it works.

@Everybody else
Forgive me for my sarcasm

It's just that if it works for many people does not mean that it works for most of the people.
It is no coincidence that the 2 major desktop distributions still do not use it by default.

Yes, Nvidia sucks. Nobody disputes that.
Still they make the best gpus on the market. The average user will likely use Windows rather than ditch Nvidia.
That's because for most people use the pc as a tool for a job. If Linux is not up to the task they ditch Linux, not the task.

**finalzone** · 28 January 2021, 05:10 AM

More interested to Wayland Color Management
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/swick...olor-pipelined

**CochainComplex** · 28 January 2021, 05:53 AM

Code:

for [wayland, nvidia, x11, amd, opensourcedriver, mesa] in headline
 print("x11 is great")
 print("nvidia just works")
 if ($USER == birdie)
  print("Windows is better anyway")
 endif
 print("wayland is not stable")
 print("never amd again")
 print("wayland is not a compositor")
 print("AMD has superb OS Driver")
 print("blob")
 print("Multimonitor support broken")
 print("tear free")
 print("what mesa and kernel version ?")
 print((quote("F*** you Nvidia","Linus Torvalds", htmlLink))
 print("no freesync")
end

**birdie** · 28 January 2021, 06:43 AM

All I keep hearing is compositor needs to implement this and that and all the same crap over and over again. Again, every successful DE or OS that ever existed has implemented rich APIs which allows developers to use it/code for it with as few lines of code as possible. Wayland has been implemented/drafted such a way all compositors need to have literally tens of thousands of lines of code (re)implementing the same features which other sane DE/OSes implement out of the box as APIs. Fuck this madness, sorry.

Wayland should have come either with some sort of default compositor which implements or provides APIs for:

1) Screen casting/recording
2) Drag-n-drop
3) Task panel
4) Systray
5) Basic window management (at least minimizing/maximizing/moving)
6) Virtual desktops
7) And other desktop features I cannot immediately recall.

or just not exist in the first place.

And I'm not even talking about accelerated graphics/text drawing APIs which again are provided by Windows, MacOS, Android, iOS and even a hobbyist(!) project Haiku out of the box.

Again, I hate both Gnome and KDE 5 vehemently (the only working/rich DEs for Wayland so far). Both environments are brain-damaged in one way or another and both have decided that they must be universal which means they must work on mobile and desktop, only they put mobile first and copied the absolute worst features of Windows 8 UI (flat, undiscoverable UI), Windows 10 (tons of white space, low contrast UI) and new MacOS releases (grey low-contrast icons). My eyes are bleeding when I see them in action. I don't want to discover UI features. I don't want to painfully discern 20 grey small icons which all look the same. Are we back in the age of 3bit palettes or what?

**jacob** · 28 January 2021, 07:30 AM