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  • #31
    Originally posted by SilverFox View Post

    This is so outdated, Redhat, Canonical, Amazon, Intel, Microsoft, SuSe etc, etc are all throwing thousands of dollars into developing linux.
    Obviously I was not referring to the development of the kernel, among other things Microsoft works basically on what concerns the Azure platform. But an operating system is not just the kernel ... then if you want to compare Canonical to Microsoft oh well ... but even if you do you should know that Canonical doesn't care about the desktop, just like Red Hat or SUSE doesn't care, they certainly help in a consistent way because it suits them too, but they certainly don't invest what Microsoft invests in Windows. Business in Linux is certainly not the desktop!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Numeric View Post
      I wish the Fedora KDE the best of luck on this transition. I have been using Plasma + Wayland + Mesa on Arch for about two years. The experience has been one of stability improvements and functionality increases to the point where it now feels weird for me to use an X11 session. Which is very strange to say after a decade in Linux! Hopefully, upcoming techs like Pipewire will help solve a few of the missing functionality gaps.

      My advice for using those considering Wayland with Plasma: 1) only use distributions with current or near current versions of Plasma (arch, manjaro, fedora, tumbleweed), 2) stick to using AMD or Intel GPUs with Mesa as the driver, 3) use wayland from a fresh boot (jumping back and forth between Wayland and X11 sessions can sometimes trigger issues with sddm). 4) Watch out on very old home directories that contain very old kde .config files 5) Enjoy super fluid window movement (very noticeable on a 144hz monitor)!
      6- if you are a gamer, forget wayland and xwayland.

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      • #33
        If big RH would help KDE team in implementing and testing Wayland support then for sure it could work better, maybe like in GNOME. The fact is RH helps only GNOME, so we have result. KDE is lagging behind GNOME in Wayland support.

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        • #34
          Bottom line: this is good news. By forcing adoption of Wayland, Fedora is accelerating the push to feature parity for this modern display server (what Canonical didn't have the cojones to do after Ubuntu 17).

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Mario Junior View Post

            6- if you are a gamer, forget wayland and xwayland.
            I will have to disagree. As a avid gamer, my gaming experience hasn't been hindered by wayland or xwayland. I play games like Total War Warhammer 2, Day of Infamy, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Zero-K, Smokin' Guns (wine), Age of Empires 3 (Proton), Hitman 2 (Proton), and the list goes on. The most noticeable improvement for me going from X11 to Wayland was with Day of Infamy and Hitman 2. Getting fluid framerates and removing micro-tearing was sometimes hit and miss on X11 (especially, back in my day when I was running a Nvidia GPU). With Mesa and Wayland, this is not the case across the machines I admin and play on. So while my N < 30, I have a fair enough sample size to make an informed decision. Though WINE on wayland could really use some attention, no disagreement from me on that one.

            Edit: For clarification, I ran Mesa + X11 for 1.5 years on my main gaming rig. Tearing was less than with Nvidia's blob, but still not perfect especially on monitors above 75hz.
            Last edited by Numeric; 09 September 2020, 11:05 AM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Charlie68 View Post

              Obviously I was not referring to the development of the kernel, among other things Microsoft works basically on what concerns the Azure platform. But an operating system is not just the kernel ... then if you want to compare Canonical to Microsoft oh well ... but even if you do you should know that Canonical doesn't care about the desktop, just like Red Hat or SUSE doesn't care, they certainly help in a consistent way because it suits them too, but they certainly don't invest what Microsoft invests in Windows. Business in Linux is certainly not the desktop!
              Firstly, I wasn't comparing Canonical to Microsoft, That is purely your assumption. Secondly, I'm well aware there are other compnent's that make up a desktop, But thanks for the school lesson. To say the big companies don't care about the desktop is pure bollocks. Paid engineers are actively putting in patches, Making improvements to the desktop side on Linux. Chromium, Visual studio, Firefox, Thunderbird, System d, Mesa, Wayland - etc, etc have had code submitted by those company's that don't care about the desktop. If it's new features your talking about, That's down to the group heading a project and whether or not, Improvement's get implemented.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by HighValueWarrior View Post
                Dare we hope ??
                What about for nvidia users ?
                They can't even support Intel users, let alone nVidia users. I'm still waiting for the day that Wayland doesn't crash on my Intel-only system.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by SilverFox View Post

                  Firstly, I wasn't comparing Canonical to Microsoft, That is purely your assumption. Secondly, I'm well aware there are other compnent's that make up a desktop, But thanks for the school lesson. To say the big companies don't care about the desktop is pure bollocks. Paid engineers are actively putting in patches, Making improvements to the desktop side on Linux. Chromium, Visual studio, Firefox, Thunderbird, System d, Mesa, Wayland - etc, etc have had code submitted by those company's that don't care about the desktop. If it's new features your talking about, That's down to the group heading a project and whether or not, Improvement's get implemented.
                  I didn't want to give lessons, I wouldn't be able to, I just reported a fact.
                  I did not write that companies do not make any contribution to the desktop in Gnu / linux, I just pointed out that their priorities are other, as it should be, most of the projects are managed by communities, not by companies and I I'm referring to GNU projects not the kernel.

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                  • #39
                    Just tried KDE Plasma + Wayland for the first time in a few months... I'm running Kubuntu 20.04 and the KDE Plasma version looks to be 5.18.4... So far, pretty stable. Seems virtualbox was fixed (there was an issue with Wayland where it would run as a Wayland clients but make calls to X, causing it to crash immediate IIRC).

                    Seems like it is indeed time for Fedora to switch KDE to use Wayland as default from my limited experience. Especially once KDE Plasma 5.20 comes out with all of its Wayland fixes.

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                    • #40
                      Tried Wayland too (on pop_OS) 2 of my games launched find but my fav media player (smplayer) is now launching the video in 2 windows.. seems like wayland support was requested a long time ago and has not been added

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