Well. This thread has become litigation grade proof that most people posting here don't have even slightest idea of what is X11 or wayland are and/or why you are comparing Gnome Vs Gnome and Firefox Vs Firefox and/or whereas the protocol backend uses Wayland or Arcan or X11 the actual performance/RAM/etc. won't vary much if at all.
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Originally posted by tomas View PostWhile technically wayland might be 12 years old, the accompanying compositors are far from that. And that is what matters. Look, wayland has the broad support from the industry. It's used in car infotainment systems, it's used in phones and now it's starting to be used on the Linux desktop. It will even be used on Windows through the means of WSL2 in order to support graphical applications. All of you that state that "wayland is already 12 years old and nowhere to be seen" have the wrong perspective. Replacing something so fundamentally as the display system in an operating system is a gargantuan task that takes a long time. And that time is far from being 12 years yet. More honest would be to start counting from the first release of Gnome that supported wayland.
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Originally posted by tomas View Post
That is the right attitude.
As I said. I think it's dishonest to claim that it has been 12 years. Or even 10. A specification of a protocol being 12 years old has nothing to do with the state of the compositors implementing that specification. The first gnome release with support for wayland was 4 years ago. Also, I realize that replacing something as fundamental as the display system is not going to be done just like that. Perhaps it's because I have programming as a profession myself, but I'm not that surprised that wayland is taking this long time to gradually replace a beast like X11, and also that it's not there yet for all (relevant) use cases. It will be, however. Eventually.
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Originally posted by Volta View Post
There's nothing to configure moron. It plays nicely under Wayland.
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Originally posted by 8r34k0u7_57y13 View Post
Wayland has 0 good implementations and by design can never have a good implementation
X11 has 0 good implementations and by design can never had a good implementation.
Wayland doesn't work today, X11 does. Both are crap but one works now. Hopefully Arcan can fix this mess since Mir is dead.
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Originally posted by duby229 View Post
Yeah and it was -designed- for extremely simple use cases like car interfaces or kiosks. It just doesn't have to design scope to fulfill the needs of a desktop operating system.
Someone mentioned "color management" earlier. That is currently proposed as a protocol extension:
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So that is at least one thing that is currently missing. Anything else?
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Originally posted by andyprough View PostI'm the moron? Who's the one who can't figure out how to play Quake correctly after 30 years of trying?
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Originally posted by kravemir View Post
Well, this ALT+Tab issue, for certain apps-only, you're pointing out, isn't that much of UX drawback,... However, I had to switch from Wayland back to X11, because it didn't support screensharing, which I occasionally very much need for remote work. So, unless screensharing works flawlessly in Wayland, I'm staying with X11.Last edited by Volta; 15 June 2020, 02:46 AM.
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