GNOME X.Org vs. Wayland Performance + Power Usage On Fedora 32 With AMD Renoir Laptop

[caligula]

Maybe the Wayland version contains tons of intermediate back buffers? One 2560x1440 32b buffer uses around 15 MB of RAM. So there might be 10 extra buffers if it uses 150 MB more.

[Volta]

wayland only will become the default and somehow good when canonical puts it in desktop ubuntu, the others distros are irrelevant

Nope, Ubuntu leeches on everyone else. Especially on Fedora.

[oleid]

couldn’t it become a full library implemented once for good and for everyone ?

there are wayland-compositor-as-library implementations, but of course they are quite opinionated.

[Volta]

X11 is the most complete solution. What are you complaining? An example: are devoutly religious people thore still using Lxde instead of Gnome or Plasma? All make the exactly same thing, but Lxde is much way faster.

X11 was a dead end and its development is nearly none. Everything interesting is happening around Wayland. It's funny to see some delusional cry babies can't accept such obvious fact. They don't even listen to ex-X11 developers. They're such dumb.

[oleid]

Does that mean I should stop using Wayland?
Why there is no improvement yet?
Is this mainly because of Firefox not being so great on Wayland?

Either that. Or Firefox/X11 was used on XWayland. We don't know.

[Vistaus]

and wayland is using more power, linux need a new display manager and put wayland in garbage

You mean like Arcan?

[Volta]

And I'm not dismissing Wayland or anything. It's just that Wayland (be it young or old at this point) has already made some pretty big (and avoidable) mistakes. Therefore, 12 years later there's still no date in sight where we can guess we can all leave X behind for good. Thus, I'm just really, really not excited by Wayland anymore, that's all.

Mistakes like what? To X11 fanboys: can you explain why 30 years later I still can't use alt+Tab with Quake live in Steam? Under Wayland it works just fine.

[Vistaus]

New development project, that's very funny. It's so old that it's about time that someone started working on a Wayland replacement.

That already happened. It's called Arcan. Phoronix covered it a couple of times.

[Volta]

The fact is X11 is the only solution for every one, Wayland for dreamers.

The fact is you have no clue. Alt+Tab broken, video acceleration broken etc.

[Vistaus]

While technically wayland might be 12 years old, the accompanying compositors are far from that. And that is what matters. Look, wayland has the broad support from the industry. It's used in car infotainment systems, it's used in phones and now it's starting to be used on the Linux desktop. It will even be used on Windows through the means of WSL2 in order to support graphical applications. All of you that state that "wayland is already 12 years old and nowhere to be seen" have the wrong perspective. Replacing something so fundamentally as the display system in an operating system is a gargantuan task that takes a long time. And that time is far from being 12 years yet. More honest would be to start counting from the first release of Gnome that supported wayland.

I keep hearing that car infotainment systems use Wayland, yet it's QNX that is powering a lot of car entertainment systems (esp. in the well-known car brands) and that number keeps growing every month. So no, Wayland is *not* broadly supported by car manufacturers.

And what are those phones that you're referring to? iOS uses its own compositor and so does Android. That doesn't leave you with much phones.