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  • angrypie
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    Did you just beat around the bush from the title through the first paragraph to avoid writing "RebeccaBlackOS" too early? No wonder Phoronix is regarded as a clickbait site for Linux users.

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  • RahulSundaram
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    Originally posted by andyprough View Post
    Of course that's true, and in fact you would need to get down to such fine-grained detail that you would soon lose the forest for the individual trees. How do you feel? It is your project, not mine. Would you rather say that Wayland on Gnome on Fedora is still a work in progress, or would you like to promote it very strongly?
    Without fine grained details and just a simple text search, you are missing both the trees and forest itself :-). I am not an active contributor at this point. I would consider pretty much everything in Linux including the kernel itself as work in progress and that's a good thing. I don't see that as a reason not to promote it if you have strong associations with that component. I personally don't

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  • andyprough
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    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
    Well, it's half as buggy, that has to mean something, AIGHT?

    That's what, at least three times more stable than Windows 10 Home?
    Microsoft can only dream of a day when they only get 200 bug reports per hour.

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  • andyprough
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    Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
    Let's start with the fact that neither properly accounts for bugs. Simply searching for a word in bugzilla yields results for all sort of things that happen to mention the keyword. That is a useless measure. In order to account for it properly, you need to sort by components related to what you are looking for, then filter out things like feature requests, misfiled bugs, duplicates, packaging changes, upstream release monitoring auto filed bugs, trackers and so forth. It is substantial work to gather such metrics accurately and to put it properly in context, you will have to keep in mind which configuration is default and what feature set it exposes etc
    Of course that's true, and in fact you would need to get down to such fine-grained detail that you would soon lose the forest for the individual trees. How do you feel? It is your project, not mine. Would you rather say that Wayland on Gnome on Fedora is still a work in progress, or would you like to promote it very strongly?

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  • starshipeleven
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    Originally posted by andyprough View Post
    Good point - but "Wayland is only half as buggy as Xorg" isn't exactly a reason to be trumpeting the "great support" of Wayland on Gnome,
    Well, it's half as buggy, that has to mean something, AIGHT?

    That's what, at least three times more stable than Windows 10 Home?

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  • starshipeleven
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    Originally posted by Zeioth View Post
    One day Nvidia, Wine, And XFCE will support wayland. One day...
    The only one that might one day support Wayland in your list is XFCE

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  • RahulSundaram
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    Originally posted by andyprough View Post
    Good point - but "Wayland is only half as buggy as Xorg" isn't exactly a reason to be trumpeting the "great support" of Wayland on Gnome
    Let's start with the fact that neither properly accounts for bugs. Simply searching for a word in bugzilla yields results for all sort of things that happen to mention the keyword. That is a useless measure. In order to account for it properly, you need to sort by components related to what you are looking for, then filter out things like feature requests, misfiled bugs, duplicates, packaging changes, upstream release monitoring auto filed bugs, trackers and so forth. It is substantial work to gather such metrics accurately and to put it properly in context, you will have to keep in mind which configuration is default and what feature set it exposes etc

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  • Hibbelharry
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    Originally posted by andyprough View Post
    Good point - but "Wayland is only half as buggy as Xorg" isn't exactly a reason to be trumpeting the "great support" of Wayland on Gnome, not to mention that most Fedora users are still doubtlessly unable to even use Wayland due to older hardware and DEs other than Gnome. I still think "a work in progress" is a good description.
    The people answering were just using exactly your arguments....

    Originally posted by andyprough View Post
    But, call it what you like, Gnome is not my DE, so I have no horse in the race. I would just occasionally like to see a bit more reality and accuracy used when describing RedHat and Ubuntu projects, rather than the misplaced over the top propaganda that we've seen on nearly every tech website for nearly 15 years now. When those projects fail, which they frequently do, there would be fewer users disrupted if their expectations weren't upended.
    Wayland is no ubuntu or Fedora project. It's a project of the xorg guys, who want to leave their old cruft aside.

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  • andyprough
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    Originally posted by mppix View Post
    Good point - but "Wayland is only half as buggy as Xorg" isn't exactly a reason to be trumpeting the "great support" of Wayland on Gnome, not to mention that most Fedora users are still doubtlessly unable to even use Wayland due to older hardware and DEs other than Gnome. I still think "a work in progress" is a good description.

    But, call it what you like, Gnome is not my DE, so I have no horse in the race. I would just occasionally like to see a bit more reality and accuracy used when describing RedHat and Ubuntu projects, rather than the misplaced over the top propaganda that we've seen on nearly every tech website for nearly 15 years now. When those projects fail, which they frequently do, there would be fewer users disrupted if their expectations weren't upended.

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  • mppix
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    Originally posted by andyprough View Post
    Those 200+ bugs are on Fedora alone.
    fair enough:
    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist....icksearch=xorg

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