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Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
People often call 144Hz a "troll" because he favors GNOME a lot and often says inconvenient truths. But seriously, who can disagree that Qt has always been a problem due to it being a company product? Doesn't matter who owns Qt's company, this project will always steer according to that company's needs and wants. And KDE will follow suit because KDE has always been a tech demo to promote Qt.
GTK is a tool to help GNOME Desktop. But GNOME Desktop is the master. On the other hand, KDE desktop is a tool to promote Qt. But Qt is the master. KDE in the past even broke the KDE desktop and released garbage unstable versions because they just had to promote the newest version of Qt.... And since Qt does not really care about Wayland, KDE doesn't really support it either. We are well into 2020 and the latest "Plasma" desktop still can't keep going on for more than 30 minutes without crushing on Wayland session and radeonsi drivers.... Seriously?
I know many people like KDE desktop, i like it too, i have even contributed to it in the past, but the reality is that Qt's needs are deemed more important than the desktop. And 144Hz is often right about it. No matter the hate he gets.
If you compare the development of Gtk and Qt, it is quite telling that many decisions by the Gnome project had a negative effect on Gtk+ software. An example is the whole debate about client-side decorations where the stance of Gnome, well.... I wouldn't call it diplomatic or embracing to the free desktop community at all. More historical examples come from Miguel de Icaza's steering of the project, e.g. the whole failure with .NET. At the same time, Gtk+ laid bare for quite a while and Gtk+3 development started with a long, unstable phase of horrors for developers and users alike. Qt in the same time evolved in a relatively straight and very stable manner (esp. API-wise). KDE5/Plasma was rushed in the beginning, yes, but I don't see any indicators of Qt company influence on that. At the same time, the Gnome desktop as I said had many troubles as well, putting off so many users that several legacy Gnome desktops exist today.
So, IMHO, you whole theory about the company backing of these projects falls flat.Last edited by ypnos; 29 February 2020, 01:12 PM.
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Originally posted by ypnos View PostIf you compare the development of Gtk and Qt, it is quite telling that many decisions by the Gnome project had a negative effect on Gtk+ software. An example is the whole debate about client-side decorations where the stance of Gnome,
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Originally posted by Britoid View Post
Qt has supported client-side decoration much longer than GTK has. If you're referring to headerbars, which yes can look awkward on non-GNOME desktops (among many more important things), then I don't think that had a negative effect on GTK software given that headerbars are optional and developers have to opt to use them.
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Originally posted by ypnos View Post
What I am talking about is not support for them. It is that GNOME tries to make them exclusive. Tell me, why does something like this even have to exist!? https://github.com/ZaWertun/gtk3-nocsd Why do I have to use it so my Gtk applications fit in with my window manager (which is neither a GNOME/KDE one)?
Qt/KDE apps don't follow my font settings
Qt/KDE apps don't follow my HIDPI settings.
Qt/KDE apps don't work with my accessibility settings.
How dare they!
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Originally posted by Britoid View Post
GNOME doesn't tell application developers how to build their app. Headerbars are optional and if an application developer wants to use them that is their choice.
Qt/KDE apps don't follow my font settings
Qt/KDE apps don't follow my HIDPI settings.
Qt/KDE apps don't work with my accessibility settings.
How dare they!
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Originally posted by Vistaus View PostAnd GNOME isn't steered by companies like Red Hat and Canonical?
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Originally posted by Vistaus View Post
And GNOME isn't steered by companies like Red Hat and Canonical?
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Originally posted by TemplarGR View PostWith Qt and KDE, the Linux desktop is completely and utterly irrelevant, all they care about is showcasing Qt's capabilities so they can get more clients.
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Originally posted by TemplarGRIt looks like we have a Qt apologist here, ladies and gentlemen.... First you attempt to debunk what i said with retarded excuses like "KDE is from Germany, not Norway", like it matters in Opensource development.... Then you proceed by spreading FUD about the GNOME project and you beat the same dead horse regarding client side decorations.... In my not humble at all opinion, reality proves my version, not yours. Wake me up when KDE stops rushing to support bleeding edge Qt features that nobody really needs and instead focuses on providing a stable and working desktop, especially on Wayland.
Have fun shouting at others on the internet.
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