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Ubuntu 19.10 Is The First Time We've Seen (X)Wayland Gaming Performance Match X.Org
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Originally posted by Vistaus View Post
Wayland support has stalled AFAIK: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42284
"It is very unlikely that Wine is going to support Wayland in the same way as X. I worked on a Wayland driver for Wine some time ago, but discontinued the idea because Wayland lacks many features that are expected by Windows programs. [...]
The opinion from the Wayland developers is that you should stick to XWayland. The best solution Wine could offer, would be a virtual desktop that uses native Wayland. Not sure if it is worth the effort though."Last edited by starshipeleven; 30 October 2019, 10:19 AM.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
More proof that VMs with effective graphics API passthrough (ala VirGL) are the way to go to run legacy Windows stuff
(Bear in mind that "has a discrete GPU" doesn't mean that there's an onboard one lying fallow. I have a pre-PSP AMD system where the BIOS forcibly and irrecoverably disables the onboard graphics if a discrete GPU is found, AMD still offers CPUs in their list of products for purchase (as opposed to APUs), and it costs extra for an AMD motherboard that doesn't allocate PCI-E lanes on the assumption that you'll only need one of the two GPUs to perform ideally on a given boot.)
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Originally posted by ssokolow View PostAre you going to be the one to pay for hardware and Windows licenses for everyone who only has one GPU and no license for a copy of Windows to run in the VM?
Also if Wine can't work reliably with most of the applications you need anyway, which is the current situation and unlikely to change in the future, there isn't much choice.
I have a pre-PSP AMD system where the BIOS forcibly and irrecoverably disables the onboard graphics if a discrete GPU is found,
Like "not eat out one weekend" cheap.
and it costs extra for an AMD motherboard that doesn't allocate PCI-E lanes on the assumption that you'll only need one of the two GPUs to perform ideally on a given boot.)
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostI said graphics API passthrough (ala VirGL) and I mean it. I also implicitly meant GPU hardware virtualization features (similar to CPU virtualization that allows VMs at all). No secondary GPU required.
Also if Wine can't work reliably with most of the applications you need anyway, which is the current situation and unlikely to change in the future, there isn't much choice.
Second, Wine works quite well for what I use it for. (In some cases, modern Windows won't run what I use Wine for because I'm enjoying childhood favourites like Lode Runner: The Legend Returns, Bricklayer, or early Win32 stuff that Wine does a better job of satisfying Windows for than real Windows. Heck, GOG.com sometimes uses Wine DLLs on Windows to modernize games that depend on now-defunct APIs like DirectDraw.)
Concurrent with the deprecation of DirectDraw was the deterioration of Windows compatibility with old games that relied on this old API, with Command & Conquer, Warcraft 2, and Theme Hospital among those affected. In newer Windows versions, some games will refuse to run under a 32-bit bit depth, others showing a black screen or glitching when switched out. Re-implementation of DDraw is, as a result, vital to many communities still hosting these games. Commonly used replacements include:
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostReplacing that board is cheap.
Like "not eat out one weekend" cheap.
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostUnless you are gaming with it, even a PCIe 2.0 x1 slot is enough for a secondary GPU. I know, I've been using the main (only) slot of a mini-itx for a PCIe-SAS card, and the actual GPU is connected to the M.2 slot through a ribbon adapter.
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Originally posted by phoronix View PostPhoronix: Ubuntu 19.10 Is The First Time We've Seen (X)Wayland Gaming Performance Match X.Org
With Ubuntu 19.10 it's the first time we have seen the Radeon gaming performance under a GNOME Wayland session match or exceed the performance found under the default GNOME X.Org session...
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...Wayland-Gaming
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