KDE Plasma 5.17 To Properly Support Screen Sharing On Wayland

[geearf]

Let us break an IBM software bubble: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/users/statistics

As you see most of the people are using something else than gnome3 or kde. Above statistics is the rare one that you can find from the internet.

The link does not seem to agree with the proposition.
The link has 52.95% using either Gnome or Plasma, ie more than half, hence I do not see how most people are using something else.

[starshipeleven]

That's what wlroots is for.

I've not seen much discussion about XFCE, MATE or Cinnamon using wlroots. There was some talk about MATE taking Unity (as a wayland compositor) whole.

I still think they don't have enough manpower to do it, even with wlroots.

[skeevy420]

Let us break an IBM software bubble: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/users/statistics

As you see most of the people are using something else than gnome3 or kde. Above statistics is the rare one that you can find from the internet.

Are you retarded or just plain stupid?

Using the numbers that you provide show that Gnome & Plasma make up 52.95% of Linux desktop environments. That means most people are using Gnome or KDE.

[B]GNOME[/B]: 620 (28.18%) Difference: (+0.49% overall, +3 people)
[B]KDE Plasma[/B]: 545 (24.77%) Difference: (+0.18% overall, +1 people)
[B]XFCE[/B]: 273 (12.41%) Difference: (+0% overall, 0 people)
[B]Cinnamon[/B]: 215 (9.77%) Difference: (-3.15% overall, -7 people)
[B]Window Manager Only[/B]: 173 (7.86%) Difference: (-1.14% overall, -2 people)
[B]MATE[/B]: 113 (5.14%) Difference: (-1.74% overall, -2 people)
[B]Unity[/B]: 98 (4.45%) Difference: (-6.67% overall, -7 people)
[B]Budgie[/B]: 88 (4%) Difference: (-4.35% overall, -4 people)
[B]Pantheon Shell[/B]: 24 (1.09%) Difference: (+0% overall, 0 people)
[B]LXDE[/B]: 18 (0.82%) Difference: (-5.26% overall, -1 people)
[B]Deepin Desktop Environment[/B]: 15 (0.68%) Difference: (+15.38% overall, +2 people)
[B]LXQt[/B]: 12 (0.55%) Difference: (-7.69% overall, -1 people)
[B]Enlightenment[/B]: 6 (0.27%) Difference: (+0% overall, 0 people)

If you're going to make up bullshit, at least link to sources that go with the bullshit you're making up.

[Terrablit]

Let us break an IBM software bubble: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/users/statistics

As you see most of the people are using something else than gnome3 or kde. Above statistics is the rare one that you can find from the internet.

We're adding KDE and Gnome's percentages here because both of them have solutions for the issue. As many have pointed out, that makes 52.95%. Indeed, "most people" are clearly using what you think most people aren't. Good job on quoting statistics that directly disprove what you're saying. It's great when you debunk your own nonsense. Saves us time.

The link does not seem to agree with the proposition.
The link has 52.95% using either Gnome or Plasma, ie more than half, hence I do not see how most people are using something else.

Not a direct response to geearf, but it's a good point to add to the avalanche. Even if we ignored dxfce's bad math and logic, it's relevant that many of the remaining DEs or WMs in the pie don't even implement Wayland. It's beyond irrational to consider missing functionality that depends on a core rewrite as a relevant issue. You can't blame people for not solving a problem you're not even ready to discuss. Unless you're dxfce.

Cinnamon is derived from Gnome 3, so they'll have it if they want it. Most Wayland-based projects using a shared toolkit (GTK3 or Qt/KDE libs) will find it much easier to add that support in once the architecture supports it. Groups with their own toolkit or writing their own code will probably be able to see the generic solution implemented and choose whether to follow the crowd. Honestly, if they wrote everything from scratch, they wouldn't want someone else's implementation in the first place. If you NIH the foundation, chances are you're going to NIH the rest, too.

So either they'll have libraries to use, they won't want libraries, or they're not ready for a Wayland solution anyway. Those numbers were even more damning than we'd thought at first glance.

[Slartifartblast]

Still no Gimp 2.10 xcf thumbnail file support in dolphin and gwenview by kf5-kimageformats

[Citan]

debianxfce retardxfce Children would you mind doing your primary school things elsewhere?
You don't bring anything useful to the discussion and degrade the ambiance on top of that.

Michael ngraham sorry for noobish question but in the end what can one actually do with current stable KDE?
I've been keeping a x11 KDE5 because I'm among the cowards who don't want to face new tech beta-testing XD, but if you can now, for example, use a GUI in a remote Windows/Linux computer to access your own KDE desktop it would be worth migrating to WayLand (and bear with whatever problem I may encounter).

Thanks in advance for your clarification.

[horizonbrave]

Already worked on GNOME for a looong time. So most users already got it covered.

how to do that on Gnome?
under Wayland as well?
Thanks

[horizonbrave]

Is there a way to block/ignore their posts? It's become pretty bad lately. Not sure if this forum supports such though.

+1

[zoomblab]

Even if we ignored dxfce's bad math and logic, it's relevant that many of the remaining DEs or WMs in the pie don't even implement Wayland.

This is actually one of the most underlooked negatives I see with Wayland. There is no single common wayland implementation but each DE develops their own. Canonical took the heat for Mir but what Gnome and KDE are doing is not that far from that. They are developing their own thing separately. At least they share a common protocol. Anyway with X there is one implementation. Any fix and improvement benefits all DEs. With wayland this not the case but I see noone protest about it.

[Terrablit]

This is actually one of the most underlooked negatives I see with Wayland. There is no single common wayland implementation but each DE develops their own. Canonical took the heat for Mir but what Gnome and KDE are doing is not that far from that. They are developing their own thing separately. At least they share a common protocol. Anyway with X there is one implementation. Any fix and improvement benefits all DEs. With wayland this not the case but I see noone protest about it.

This is also wrong. In many ways. First off, it's not that simple to say that everything is implemented separately. A fair bit of user functionality can be split off into separate projects if anyone wanted. Second, the split was already there. It was just split differently. I don't think you realize how much all the different compositors, toolkits and DEs were doing before. There were plenty of bugs and issues that popped up in several DEs and WMs. X didn't abstract as much of modern desktop usage as you seem to think it did. The wayland approach is actually a lot simpler.

Third, there's nothing that prevents projects from using other people's code. Libwayland-server exists for using code from the reference implementation of Wayland. And anyone could use Gnome or KDE libraries. But just because a library exists doesn't mean people like to use it. We had two libraries for X clients, more than a dozen libc implementations, etc. There's plenty of opportunity to share code if people aren't so opinionated about how the libraries are implemented. Wayland didn't change anything in that regard.

Fourth, Canonical got trashed about Mir because they took a lot of Wayland work, trashed on the project with a bunch of lies, and then went off to implement something that was pretty much the same thing but under their control instead of being a community project. They also claimed a lot of credit for things implemented by other people as Mir-specific features. Like libhybris. The problem wasn't the competing implementation so much as the competition tactics. You'll note that it wasn't a major problem for them to bridge to Wayland later because it wasn't that different of a product in the end.

Fifth, Wayland implementations are actually standardizing a lot about expected behavior. It's a natural continuance of initiatives like Freedesktop (XDG). But it's being planned out and discussed simultaneously.

Let's not pretend like X was a big, harmonious party because it wasn't. It was a massive, uncontrolled shitshow.