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  • #31
    Originally posted by wagaf View Post

    Your source to say I'm "spreading misinformation" is some old anonymous unsourced post on Slashdot (that even says Wayland support was actually planned) ?
    Okay, how about an official source then (though through the web archive, as Google+ has been shut down) from one of the ChromeOS developers? http://web.archive.org/web/201704292...ts/L3zmATV8BW5
    In fact, if you look at the source code revisions, the Frecon console of the Freon display server is still in active development, which also proves that it's still being used: https://chromium.googlesource.com/ch...atform/frecon/
    And Freon has no connection to Wayland at all: "Freon isn't based directly on Wayland nor Mir [...]" (source: https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...to-replace-x11)
    And for another official source: this PDF by a Google employee, which lays out the different layers of ChromeOS: https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC201...p_Graphics.pdf
    "ChromeOS devices that run ARC++ uses the Freon graphics stack Under the Freon driver model, the Chrome browser talks directly to the kernel's DRM/KMS APIs"

    Even native Linux apps are rendered through Freon: it basically acts as a websocket to pipe X server calls to Freon.

    ChromeOS only uses Wayland for displaying Android apps, which is the only thing you got right (your linked articles also prove that), but ChromeOS itself really is using Freon still. That's the point I was trying to make.
    Last edited by Vistaus; 04-06-2019, 02:34 PM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Vistaus View Post
      ChromeOS only uses Wayland for displaying Android apps, which is the only thing you got right (your linked articles also prove that), but ChromeOS itself really is using Freon still. That's the point I was trying to make.
      That's right.

      Android app support is one of the most valuable features of ChromeOS. People I see using ChromeOS use Android apps and the Play Store all the time; saying Wayland is used in production in ChromeOS is not misinformation. It's also true Wayland is used in other industries like cars.

      I really wonder how things as benign as system software components can generate so much hate.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by wagaf View Post
        One could also point out that Wayland is used in production in the second most popular Linux distribution (after Android): Chrome OS.
        Does Chrome OS use wayland?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Azrael5 View Post

          Does Chrome OS use wayland?
          See https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...16-ARC-Wayland

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          • #35
            Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
            There are very few native wayland applications so X will live forever and wayland will die.
            Nearly all Gtk and Qt apps work fine with Wayland without XWayland.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by johanb View Post

              Technical reasons to use Wayland:
              - Simplified design
              - Clearly defined protocol so there can be multiple implementations
              - Applications isolated by default
              - Pixel-perfect by design (I even have less tearing with only wayland than with X+Freesync)
              Disadvantages:
              - It takes CSD to the extreme (basically forced to the point the client has to draw its own shadow)

              Also, I would like to object on that pixel-perfect point.
              Since 2016 I haven't seen a line of tearing when using a compositor in X.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Weasel View Post
                It doesn't matter how bad Xorg is because Wayland is just unusably crippled by design so there's no hope for that trash, except for some piece of shit mobile OS.
                I wonder why do you hate smartphones.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
                  Debian and XFCE are a religions, no technical reasons to use them. So it useless write technical facts for religious people. They want burn miscreants at the stake.
                  Give it a minute people, and we'll get told that there are only 3 applications in the world that work with Wayland (even though the majority of apps that he uses are already Wayland-native and he just doesn't realise).

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by debianxfce View Post

                    The X windowing system is well maintained. There are very few native wayland applications so X will live forever and wayland will die.
                    wrong, the X window system isnt well maintained. its Very old Code an getting to the point of unmaintainable. No One knows whats gonna happen to Wayland or Weston . all speculation right now. an you spreading your usual FUD doesnt help. a lot of Xorg is only Fix's with a few enhancements if there are a " few wayland Native Apps " can you back that claim up with something more like Sources?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
                      Do not panic, google helps: https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/Applications

                      The Debian Xfce desktop does not have a single of them. https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/b.../amd64/iso-cd/
                      Debian has bad Packaging. that Gnome wiki link is Out of Date. i would of thought anyway , a lot of those links on the gnome wiki point to gnome bugzilla which they havent used in some time. perhaps you should email/contact the people on that page to update that, coz a lot of Gnome stuff is an does work on Wayland., Firefox works on Wayland, Thunderbird now does im pretty sure.

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