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  • Wayland 1.17 + Weston 6.0 Reach Beta

    Phoronix: Wayland 1.17 + Weston 6.0 Reach Beta

    Derek Foreman has announced the beta releases of Wayland 1.17 and Weston 6.0 with hopes of officially shipping these new releases this month...

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...eston-6.0-Beta

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    What would you like to see in Wayland and Weston?

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    • #3
      There are many deficiencies of Wayland compared to X to the point where it really is quite inferior to X. The biggest issues is the lack of support for app<->server network transparency so your apps can be on a different computer from the server, and server<->remote desktop network transparency. Both of which were possible with X. Another much needed feature is a headless display server such as what we have with Xvfb+x11vnc for multiple X sessions on the same computer.

      If Wayland were to add these features, it would change my views of Wayland and would be more accepting of it.

      I know some people say that X does not have network transparency because of shared memory. Actually, this is not true. Any well designed properly implemented X application should always support a stream based fallback for uploading images to the server if shared memory is not available. In fact, the Render extension can work beautifully with network transparecy by allowing images to be uploaded to the server and then composited server side into the final framebuffer. The X server concept could even be extended further by allowing JPGs, PNGs, and GIFs, to be uploaded to the server and decompressed on the server to improve network transparency performance.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by jpg44 View Post
        There are many deficiencies of Wayland compared to X to the point where it really is quite inferior to X. The biggest issues is the lack of support for app<->server network transparency so your apps can be on a different computer from the server, and server<->remote desktop network transparency. Both of which were possible with X.
        So I'm not a wayland guru, but isn't it already possible to move weston windows over rdp ? FreeRDP is even mentioned in the news message.

        Originally posted by jpg44 View Post
        Another much needed feature is a headless display server such as what we have with Xvfb+x11vnc for multiple X sessions on the same computer.
        There already seems to be headless support in weston. In fact, both RDP and headless backends have been mentioned on phoronix before: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...tem&px=MTMxNjE

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        • #5
          What I miss for Wayland is:
          • Lack of features due to lack of protocols due to no-one wanting to take on the task of designing a protocol
          • All non-essential protocols are marked as unstable and only used by 1-2 compositors
            • They stay unstable because first people have lots of feedback, then they want lots of compositors to implement these protocols to make sure that they fit everyones use-cases but there are only a few compositors who actually care to implement all of them so this never happens
            • Example: compositor independent screen recording is probably years away considering the pace which things are progressing
          • Still rare with stable wayland support for many apps (Firefox, steam etc.)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by uid313 View Post
            What would you like to see in Wayland and Weston?
            No, no, that's not how this works. You're supposed to list *your* questions and ideas, as you always do

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            • #7
              Originally posted by uid313 View Post
              What would you like to see in Wayland and Weston?
              Less API/protocol breakage. Weston gets major versions sooooo often...

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              • #8
                Full RDP support would be amazing, then we could remote either a full Desktop or just an individual Application and with good performance. However as I understand it this is just Wayland protocol so the real support will have to be implemented in the window manager? Is that correct? What desktops supports RDP at this time (as opposed to competing protocols) or is working on it?

                There were Wayland RDP demos up on youtube in 2013/14 but somehow they became quiet at the time.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hyperchaotic View Post
                  Full RDP support would be amazing, then we could remote either a full Desktop or just an individual Application and with good performance. However as I understand it this is just Wayland protocol so the real support will have to be implemented in the window manager? Is that correct? What desktops supports RDP at this time (as opposed to competing protocols) or is working on it?

                  There were Wayland RDP demos up on youtube in 2013/14 but somehow they became quiet at the time.
                  Take a look at Mutter-RemoteDesktop and Pipewire

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tildearrow View Post

                    Less API/protocol breakage. Weston gets major versions sooooo often...
                    Does Wayland (weston's protocol) API/protocol break every time Weston makes a major revision?

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