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Ubuntu 18.04 LTS Will Default To The X.Org Stack, Not Wayland
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Originally posted by Azrael5 View Post
I'm not talking of gnome but I'm talking about ubuntu. The problem concerns with ubuntu.
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Originally posted by Mabhatter View Post
but no companies support non-LTS releases fully. so they'll just continue to ignore the Wayland bugs. For people that need LTS backed third party software this is terrible for progress. x.org stays, but carries tons of extra baggage not needed for modern systems. Wayland never gets full support because vendors aren't "pushed" to fix the problems.
I say this as I had to use 17.04 to have a stable AMD-based Ryzen/RX system without adding PPAs for everything. They pushed everyone to 17.10 by dropping support for 17.04 this month.. fine, I made the switch and I guess Gnome isn't terrible... so now that I've adjusted my work, all the third party software is just going to push be back to the old way (turn back on x.org) because they decided not to update things yet? great!
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I think that this will holp back Wayland support in several applications like Steam. So this is bad for all other distributions as well. Sure, for a LTS release this might be the right decision for Ubuntu right now. But long term it doesn't help the community.
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Wayland is not a critical technology. X11 works fine and has for years. It has direct rendering support, the X server is also getting a new driver backend for the X server itself rendering with Mesa drivers called Glamor to eliminate the multiple drivers situation. When Ubuntu does use a next generation window system, it should be Wayland and I fully supported dropping Mir.
The Gnome on Ubuntu by default is a theme that makes it look like Unity. You can also use different Gnome themes including the default one or a different window manager such as XFCE. Moving to Gnome was a smart move, there's no point in Canonical spending massive resources doing its own desktop environment instead of pooling resources with Red hat and Suse to make Gnome better. Going wayland was also a smart move as well, the last thing Linux needs is more fragmentation by having a bunch of incompatible window system APIs.
Personally I do not like the Unity or Gnome default interface but you can configure things to use the interface that works best for you. I actually think Ubuntu should go back to a taskbar startmenu paradigm via a Gnome theme and reject the awful idea that mobile and desktop UIs should be the same. The different formats need completely different UI models.
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