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[liam]

Yeah did that, no it does not usually happen. I'm talking of intelligence, as in "ability to deal with unexpected situations", the fact that many people know well a specific field that on average is also completely useless in real life is not "intelligence".

We've clearly had different experiences

I'm not interested in many things, but I know them regardless because it's necessary for my survival, or to avoid having to spend money I don't have, to have things fixed for me and so on.

Or I acquire documentation to deal with issues myself on demand.
[/QUOTE]

You could be right.
My observations and inferences have led me to my current position. Regardless of what you think about yourself, I would be surprised if you weren't more curious than you think. For one thing, when your say "my survival", that doesn't suggest a limited field of interest.

True for some lucky fellas, not true for the large majority of humanity. This has nothing to do with intelligence, btw.

They very well might consider themselves lucky. That you make this observation suggests, to me, that you have interests beyond most.
Maybe defining "interests" signs be useful?

That's small talk at best, given how immature is the bullshit that passes for "modern AI technology" and the speed (or lack thereof) of its evolution in the last three decades, this is unlikely to happen within our lifetime or even our offspring's. Way too complex to replace human thought when your machines still can't handle even picture recognition or navigation in real life environments properly, and even less actual human interaction.

Also, when that happens, pretty much everything else will have been replaced by pretty damn smart robots anyway, so it's not going to matter much what happens to the 2-3% of people that still have a job by then. That's either going to be a post-scarcity society or the last step in the process where humanity finally dies off and the sapient AIs they made take their place.

I'm much more worried by what will happen in a much more near future that I'm far more likely to still be alive in, when collaborative robots (not even AIs, just smaller industrial bots with proximity sensors and some decent auto-learning procedures, these are the New Best Thing in automation) start to replace workers, and crappy specialist AI software like Cortana/GNow/Siri/whatever replace tons of people in offices or in public-facing jobs.[/QUOTE]

Given the time period between your response and my reply, I think it might be best that we just leave this topic be

[lunarcloud]

"Try out this link" sounds way less safe than "it's on steam"

I'm not saying that. My game dev isn't big enough for steam, especially with Greenlight supposedly going away.

Considering how well social engineering attacks work, most people would disagree with that.

I'm gonna agree with you. I'd much prefer to be on a recognizable, trusted platform.
But a personal website that my friends know I own is pretty good, too. ( Or just a website that's a known trusted place for web games. )

[significant-bit]

So glad they put up these videos and slides! I went to both GDC & SIGGRAPH last year and enjoyed the Khronos sessions. But this year it was part of GDC's $800 tier, and that + flights + lodging was simply adding up too fast for this independent Blender dev. Definitely returning for SIGGRAPH though.

[Shevchen]

Well, I approach this topic from another angle: If you want to use something, you should be aware of its capabilities. You need a driver license to drive a car because if not, it could kill people. A computer on the other hand may not kill people if it gets infested, but people are extremely dependent on it without knowing how to properly use it. This makes them a slave to their own technology and easily controllable by outside sources, as they are unable to take any alternative (like fixing it yourself, use another albeit little more complex product etc)

As the mass drives the economy and thus standards, the "easy" solution may reign over the "correct" one, just because people are too stupid to understand. Its a systemic problem that fuels itself - where "intelligent" people have to go extreme ways just to keep the shit out of their yards - up to a point where you have to "opt-out" or you get the shit delivered.

[starshipeleven]

"Try out this link" sounds way less safe than "it's on steam"

Considering how well social engineering attacks work, most people would disagree with that.

[jaxxed]

Great for you *slow clap*.
When was the last time you used a website and freaked out about whether it was secure or not? And it wasn't banking / taxes? Javascript (and by extension, these other technologies) is pretty damn well sandboxed and secure.
I didn't say I had issues installing things, either.

I'm just saying:
hey, try this out *link*, click, oh cool"
is easier and nicer than:
"hey, wait for this to download, pray I didn't mess up my installer code, fight with windows because some stupid reason, then hope it runs correctly, try it, is that is? for all this effort?, and maybe uninstall it".
With my OSX friends it's even worse, because I have to get them to disable gatekeeper, because I don't own a Mac recent enough to sign my apps even if I had a developer key.
And why isn't using the web as the universal platform it is compelling? If things like Webgl2 and WebAssembly start using more of the hardware so it's less "wasted"?

"Try out this link" sounds way less safe than "it's on steam"

[starshipeleven]

If you are willing to talk to them about their passions/interests lots of people may surprise you

Yeah did that, no it does not usually happen. I'm talking of intelligence, as in "ability to deal with unexpected situations", the fact that many people know well a specific field that on average is also completely useless in real life is not "intelligence".

The main issue seems to be curiosity, and not everyone is interested in *everything"

I'm not interested in many things, but I know them regardless because it's necessary for my survival, or to avoid having to spend money I don't have, to have things fixed for me and so on.

Or I acquire documentation to deal with issues myself on demand.

They're comfortable where they are and with what they are doing.

True for some lucky fellas, not true for the large majority of humanity. This has nothing to do with intelligence, btw.

BTW, "automation" has started to leak into the knowledge fields.

That's small talk at best, given how immature is the bullshit that passes for "modern AI technology" and the speed (or lack thereof) of its evolution in the last three decades, this is unlikely to happen within our lifetime or even our offspring's. Way too complex to replace human thought when your machines still can't handle even picture recognition or navigation in real life environments properly, and even less actual human interaction.

Also, when that happens, pretty much everything else will have been replaced by pretty damn smart robots anyway, so it's not going to matter much what happens to the 2-3% of people that still have a job by then. That's either going to be a post-scarcity society or the last step in the process where humanity finally dies off and the sapient AIs they made take their place.

I'm much more worried by what will happen in a much more near future that I'm far more likely to still be alive in, when collaborative robots (not even AIs, just smaller industrial bots with proximity sensors and some decent auto-learning procedures, these are the New Best Thing in automation) start to replace workers, and crappy specialist AI software like Cortana/GNow/Siri/whatever replace tons of people in offices or in public-facing jobs.

[liam]

Well, It's not a secret that most of the world's population isn't exactly smart. Sure there are many that are specialists in some field and suck at IT in general, but there are large numbers of plain dumb people doing simple things (and getting increasingly unemployed as automation and de-localization eats away the "simple dumb worker" kind of jobs).

PCs are too complex for such beings, they need a single-purpose box like consoles.

By definition, that's true but I've come to believe that most people aren't stupid, or even anything less than surprisingly intelligent. If you are willing to talk to them about their passions/interests lots of people may surprise you (and yes, some can disappoint as well, but that seems to happen much less often)
The main issue seems to be curiosity, and not everyone is interested in *everything" (for the most part, I'm not terribly interested in sports). They're comfortable where they are and with what they are doing.
BTW, "automation" has started to leak into the knowledge fields. There've been a number (a much too large of a number, imho) of scarticles about this with far too many taking the lazy (incurious) route of "its probably going to happen, but not for X years (where X corresponds to the number of years separating the writer from retirement)".
👍 for single-purpose machines
All the 👍 for computing devices that are flexible, efficient and reliable

[lunarcloud]

No worries man, lunarcloud is also in his bubble.

... even I know how to deal with steam if I want to play games. ...

Great for you *slow clap*.
When was the last time you used a website and freaked out about whether it was secure or not? And it wasn't banking / taxes? Javascript (and by extension, these other technologies) is pretty damn well sandboxed and secure.
I didn't say I had issues installing things, either.

I'm just saying:
hey, try this out *link*, click, oh cool"
is easier and nicer than:
"hey, wait for this to download, pray I didn't mess up my installer code, fight with windows because some stupid reason, then hope it runs correctly, try it, is that is? for all this effort?, and maybe uninstall it".
With my OSX friends it's even worse, because I have to get them to disable gatekeeper, because I don't own a Mac recent enough to sign my apps even if I had a developer key.
And why isn't using the web as the universal platform it is compelling? If things like Webgl2 and WebAssembly start using more of the hardware so it's less "wasted"?

[starshipeleven]

On the app side, everybody older than 7 knows that installing a bunch of freeware from their app-store is going to include a bunch of bloated and sometime dangerous crap

I beg to differ. I work in techsupport and there are large amounts of younger people that don't know how to use their PCs beyond browser and office. Sure the matters are worse for older generations but "young people know how to use technology" is a myth.

Thankfully with smartphone/tablets OSes someone noticed and gave them a device they can operate decently, but PCs require waay too much know-how to be used well and safely by most people.