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  • #81
    Originally posted by Pecisk View Post

    Overreacting is not being honest.
    how is holding back more honest?

    Originally posted by Pecisk View Post
    Well balanced opinions in FOSS world is still rarity. Granted, in closed enviroments there's sometimes nothing at all. Doesn't mean it should be balls to wall shouting/panic fest I see these days on forums.
    I read all the forum posts during the last day too. The majority seemed reasonable to me.
    And how did you assess that balanced opinions are rare? It might just be that the overreacting parts are perceived to be the majority because they are louder.

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    • #82
      Originally posted by atomsymbol View Post
      It would be nice if anybody could play with a GPU emulator before the actual GPU hardware is released. Maybe this is something that is bound to happen in the long-term future, because the open-source drivers might be ready when the GPU is released, or even better the drivers might be ready before the GPU hardware is released.
      Now that amdgpu has replaced the Catalyst Linux kernel driver for new GPU support we're going to be bringing new GFX generations up on the emulators (using the amdgpu stack) before we have silicon in house; partly to get code running sooner and partly to make sure we have a chance to feed issues back into the HW team before tapeout. We're actually working on that for a next-gen GPU right now (the one after Polaris 10/11).

      Ian's FOSDEM talk suggested that Intel is doing something similar already.

      None of this gets emulator access extended to the community outside the HW vendors but since we both have in-house devs working as part of the community it should have the same effect.
      Last edited by bridgman; 02-17-2016, 10:34 AM.

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      • #83
        Originally posted by tomtomme View Post
        how is holding back more honest?

        I read all the forum posts during the last day too. The majority seemed reasonable to me.
        And how did you assess that balanced opinions are rare? It might just be that the overreacting parts are perceived to be the majority because they are louder.
        I believe it may be partially caused by the fact that - the people who are the critics and the people who submit the patches - aren't the same people. This is perfectly ok if (and only if) the critics are offering solutions to problems, or usable information about problems, or (in general) something that will lead to solving the perceived problem.

        See also: https://www.google.com/search?q=constructive+criticism

        I know I am critical to many things that are happening, I just hope the critique is constructive.
        Last edited by atomsymbol; 02-17-2016, 10:36 AM.

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        • #84
          Originally posted by Nille_kungen View Post

          All i saw in my head reading this was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIT0WT_HYeE
          I guess you meant this article.
          http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...enGL-Next-Help
          I liked your story.
          Yes that article, I couldn't find it.

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          • #85
            Originally posted by bridgman View Post

            That would make a great signature line.

            What does it mean ?
            It's a local saying and it means that (always) sour people have no use. It's just funny ;-)

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            • #86
              Just as I expected.. AMD hinders a productive process yet again. My guess is that it will be 9 months 23 days 8 hours 17 minutes and 44 seconds before AMD releases a half-assed lackluster linux vulkan driver which won't support older hardware of course.

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              • #87
                What process do you think we have hindered ? Game developers have been working with our Vulkan driver for a while, the only thing that hasn't happened yet is a public release on Linux since that's tied to the (WIP) amdgpu hybrid stack.

                If you're saying that we're not sucking up to the PR machine enough by pushing an unfinished hybrid driver stack out the door for purely PR purposes then you're probably right.

                We have already said that we plan to support all of the GCN products (GCN launched in 2011, Kepler launched in 2012 IIRC), starting with VI and working back because of the radeon->amdgpu transition. When you "guess" about us not supporting older hardware, is your guess in line with what we have already announced or are you anticipating something different ?
                Last edited by bridgman; 02-18-2016, 09:54 AM.

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                • #88
                  bridgman AMD has been pretty clear about everything so keep calm and don't let complaints bite you.
                  I rather see it done right then a stressed release.
                  I thought we would see catalyst on top of amdgpu this summer when polaris hits the market but i recently changed my estimations to early autumn.
                  As long as we all know it's coming then there's no need to worry since there's not much use of vulkan yet anyway.

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by eidolon View Post
                    On the desktop, XP, even now, still has a larger market share than Linux
                    and nobody with xp needs vulkan

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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by Nille_kungen View Post
                      since there's not much use of vulkan yet anyway.
                      It's good to see you comfort yourself with that but when it comes to real world of computer technology it doesn't save the day. Remember there's a race between different platforms and rival APIs that run on those platforms. Even one month that game developers don't target linux is a veeeery long time. Plus I'm not an AMD user, but I've got to worry about AMD's incompetence in this which makes the situation bizarre to say the least!

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