MPV Player 0.36 Released With Wayland Fractional Scaling, Vulkan Video Decode

[fitzie]

Code that handles SSD for X11 apps in Mutter (GNOME compositor) is X11 only and pretty old (as far I know it's same code that was used in GNOME before even Wayland was a thing). It won't work on Wayland without basically throwing it away and rewriting from scratch. Since Wayland don't require SSD support, they choose to not deal with it. Just use Celluloid, it's GTK frontend for MPV, works pretty good.

i will not, but thanks for the suggestion. My point is that GNOME has chosen to implement wayland their way, and thinks that everyone should be well served by the decisions they make. they've lost contributors and frustrated app developers and users, and time hasn't budged their approach. As much as I dislike gnome, I've been a user since 1.x, and I still use it. I'm just shocked at how somethings are still somehow impossible for users or application writers to do under gnome, because of their decision to limit freedom. It seems this lake of freedom has been taken as a good thing by gnome boosters.

[MrCooper]

if you want to clarify what you meant by stating "Drawing SSDs for native Wayland clients would be more complicated for mutter than it is for X clients" then I'm all ears. Since we were discussing that GNOME doesn't implement SSD, it would seem that you are suggesting as this "more complicated"-ness is the reason for their lack of support of SSD.

It's one reason for that. Mainly it's a reason for why "mutter supports SSD for X clients, it could just as well support SSD for Wayland clients" isn't a valid conclusion though, which is what my statement was in response to.

Clearly the consensus of other compositors deciding to go another way will not deter GNOME from sticking to it's original plans, no matter the pain it causes developers.

That's mostly self-inflicted pain. Most applications use a toolkit which can draw CSDs for them. For the rest, libdecor is a good option these days.

Also the wayland protocol governance model gives any one member the ability to NAK, at best it can be described as an opaque cabal. There isn't a consolidated list of governance actions, it seems to be all scatter between git commit logs mailing lists, nothing that shows any formality even after the updated rules arrived.

It's mostly happening on https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayla...land-protocols these days, open to the public.

[geearf]

I almost never use mpv from arch's repo and simply use a modified version of mpv-full-git that removes some nvidia specific stuff

Oh I'll check the mpv-full, thank you!
What's your reason for going that way?

[Quackdoc]

Oh I'll check the mpv-full, thank you!
What's your reason for going that way?

mpv has loads of features that are actually really nice for a variety of things, mainly I like having the up to date libplacebo and vapoursynth, bluray playback, etc. haviing the newest libplacebo availible is quite nice since libplacebo tonemapping is something that changes rapidly, I don't need all of the features (why I strip the nvidia ones) but I do personally use a ton of them, so it's simply easier for me to just work with mpv-full

[fitzie]

It's one reason for that. Mainly it's a reason for why "mutter supports SSD for X clients, it could just as well support SSD for Wayland clients" isn't a valid conclusion though, which is what my statement was in response to.



That's mostly self-inflicted pain. Most applications use a toolkit which can draw CSDs for them. For the rest, libdecor is a good option these days.



It's mostly happening on https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayla...land-protocols these days, open to the public.

CSD is only one of the ways applications writers feel pain on gnome compositor. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome.../-/issues/1141

this cuts off entire avenues of people developing desktop improvements to gnome users. and gnome suffers as well, not just because they are controlling who is allowed to innovate the desktop interface, but also because they should be modularizing the shell, it would allow the desktop to restart due to failure, or restart in general.

qt apps can now reconnect:

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Qt-Wayland-Compositor-Restart

I just submitted the terrible mosaic proposal to michael, so we can follow up on how terrible gnome is there: https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/202...ow-management/

[geearf]

mpv has loads of features that are actually really nice for a variety of things, mainly I like having the up to date libplacebo and vapoursynth, bluray playback, etc. haviing the newest libplacebo availible is quite nice since libplacebo tonemapping is something that changes rapidly, I don't need all of the features (why I strip the nvidia ones) but I do personally use a ton of them, so it's simply easier for me to just work with mpv-full

Oh I didn't realize mpv-full included libplacebo, yeah as a user I don't care for 2 packages vs 1, it's just more hassle in this case.

[eagleoneraptor]

Code that handles SSD for X11 apps in Mutter (GNOME compositor) is X11 only and pretty old (as far I know it's same code that was used in GNOME before even Wayland was a thing). It won't work on Wayland without basically throwing it away and rewriting from scratch. Since Wayland don't require SSD support, they choose to not deal with it. Just use Celluloid, it's GTK frontend for MPV, works pretty good.

Celluloid is pretty nice indeed, but honestly, I'm using MPV without decorations in GNOME and I really don't miss them, I don't know how it's a deal breaker, same story with maximize/minimize buttons.