Ubuntu Developers Realize Need For Non-3D Desktop

[mike4]

most have accelerated OpenGL hence they should simply use Mate etc. as fallback. But what strikes me is that they put new users on a ugly and VERY SLOW desktop!

Either they make it as fast as KDE for gaming or discard it completely. Also they should add the possibilty to add more desktops at install with a description if it's
suitable for gaming etc.

Gnome 3 is very good but it could be faster for gaming.

[grok]

you have never done development... have you? you have a new SoC and the stable gl drivers are the LAST thing that works. for months or even over a year you have to do your work WITHOUT them...

not to mention you "port" linux to your phone - not use android... port ubuntu to it.. you end up WITHOUT gl drivers as the ones for android wont work with x11 and compositing.. so stuck again... or you are in a vm, and if the vm of choice doesn't provide a solid working virtual 3d accelerator PLUS drivers for your os.. stuck again.

you are VERY OFTEN left without usable 3d drivers, even if the hardware has it. they are by far the most comlpex bits of your os driver layer and are the last to work. that's reality.

You are VERY generous saying it's monthes or a year to get 3D support.
Sometimes, support never comes at all, even for hardware that has been sold for years and is still selling. Take an Atom with a PowerVR GPU, or a VIA CPU with VIA GPU in the chipset. There's near zero level of support for anything from the vendors, so the community rushes basic support for 2D operation (not being stuck with slow VESA 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024, with no way at all to get other resolutions running). Even then, mere video playback is a crapshoot (on VIA VX900, it's not really smooth for divx playback, an ATI rage pro would be much better).

Open source 3D drivers? That only realistically gets done for the big three (Intel, AMD and NV). Even then your particular generation has to have a decent driver and be well maintained. And if your driver sucks who knows what will happen to you, a crash, lack of power management, displaying black or grey rectangles, or maybe just 40% CPU usage for minimizing a windows.

[BoTuLoX]

You see in NONE of those categories there is room for 'retarded gamer' that stays in his basement all day catching pikachus or warcafting or minecrafting like a fuckin loser.

You wanna play games? you wanna be a mindless consumer of proprietary software FUCK OFF TO WINDOWS.

The great mistake everyone in phoronix makes is thinking steam will be some kind of panacea and will bring hordes of windows users to linux.

And who the fuck are you to say that?. If you don't game, you don't know shit about gamers.

Just because you're a communist hipster doesn't mean that Linux isn't an OS for everyone, who want to use all kinds of software, included software that costs MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to produce, money the open source community can't spend, because of logical reasons. I'm running 2 PC's with Arch right now, XFCE and KDE 4, I game on the one with KDE, I can do whatever the fuck I want on that one except gaming. And everything it does it fast.

I buy games, but I want to run them on a superior OS. OS's and games are very different things when it comes to source code philosophy. An open operating system, with thousands of people around the world making it better in different amounts, where everyone knows what he's running, is better than one where only one company calls the shots, and offers few options to its users.

Games, on the other hand, just can't be done properly by big communities. Not all types of games. Games like Skyrim, Guild Wars 2, World of Warcraft, just to name a few, NEED VERY organized teams in order for its quality to be up to expectations. Not to mention that their respective teams need to dedicate loads of effort on different assets in order to get the done fast enough with the expected quality.

Now do the math. Companies need money in order to make good games. We give them the money, they profit, we get a good game. What's wrong about that?

[Pallidus]

I'm so pro I'm a let some random writer verbally rape all your arguments:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/04/state_of_gnome/

[Michael504]

4th uninteresting piece of news of the day related to Ubuntu. Enough already.

[Rigaldo]

Do you think rhel will ever EVER even touch gnome 3? fuck no

I might be terribly missinformed ... But I thought that Red Hat played an integral part on Gnome's development(Gnome 3 too). So .. Do the math?

[Hamish Wilson]

Correction: Not Xfce, but Razor-Qt

Actually, true.

You see in NONE of those categories there is room for 'retarded gamer' that stays in his basement all day catching pikachus or warcafting or minecrafting like a fuckin loser.

Yeah, you must spend your day saving the planet and every second of everyday you spend on your computer benefits humanity. Yeah right.

You know what it's like to have vlc, clementine a million tabs open thunderbird etc etc etc and experience silk immediate response?

Ah, so you use media players? Get off your computer and get a life; stop watching and listening to virtual imitations of the real world you mentally deficient anorak.*

chamber: " And what kind of stereotypical person would that be?"

1. a professional enterprise user (sys admin or network professional, etc etc etc)

2. someone that wants information technologies and computer science to advance in an open and non commercial manner.

3. someone that hates multinational corporations and their control over IT infrastructure.

4. someone that cares about open source and free and secure software

And Gnome does not fit this how?

**And in case someone does not understand this on their own, I am imitating him and not agreeing with with him, okay?

[funkSTAR]

Now if rhel goes with gnome 3 they are going to alienate A LOT of their user base and it's quite frankly a retarded decision to make...

.......

Someone mentioned that gnome is already apt to run on the new windows 8 tablets etc... seeing as you can't even install linux on those tablets your argument is dead at the beach

Reiteration of FACTS so even Pallidus will get it this time.

Next rhel WILL get g3.
Many laptops ship with touchscreens today. G3 (and unity) is prepared for this.

If you cant deal with this go hide in your basement.

[Pallidus]

chamber: " And what kind of stereotypical person would that be?"

1. a professional enterprise user (sys admin or network professional, etc etc etc)

2. someone that wants information technologies and computer science to advance in an open and non commercial manner.

3. someone that hates multinational corporations and their control over IT infrastructure.

4. someone that cares about open source and free and secure software


You see in NONE of those categories there is room for 'retarded gamer' that stays in his basement all day catching pikachus or warcafting or minecrafting like a fuckin loser.

You wanna play games? you wanna be a mindless consumer of proprietary software FUCK OFF TO WINDOWS.

The great mistake everyone in phoronix makes is thinking steam will be some kind of panacea and will bring hordes of windows users to linux.

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So you are judging gnome's perfomance in a windows native program being run on emulation software? that's rich.


I can tell you by my setup, debian with lxde, that EVERYTHING from streaming html5 to h264 encoding is faster

If I go to a multimedia heavy page I never seen such smooth scrolling, EVEN compared with discrete gfx under windows.

You know what it's like to have vlc, clementine a million tabs open thunderbird etc etc etc and experience silk immediate response? I doubt it because even on an i5 I didn't see this perfomance with g 3.4... but hey at least is a step up from unity, I give you that


Now if rhel goes with gnome 3 they are going to alienate A LOT of their user base and it's quite frankly a retarded decision to make...

cinamon would be a better choice, mate or a themed up lxde would also prove much more functional on a enterprise environment bu hey I don't have red hat stock so what do I care?


Someone mentioned that gnome is already apt to run on the new windows 8 tablets etc... seeing as you can't even install linux on those tablets your argument is dead at the beach

[GreatEmerald]

Still, I do not really see the point in cutting down KDE by turning off the desktop effects, widgets, and the like just to end up with what is in basics Xfce.

Correction: Not Xfce, but Razor-Qt