A Possible Workaround For The S3TC Patent Situation

[droidhacker]

so... did anyone involved in mesa ask S3 already if it's ok to have a free implementation, or do we have to speculate for the next 50 years whether there might be some legal problems or not?

I presume by "S3" you mean "HTC"....?
The issue here is that HTC needs patents to fight off the patent trolling of the steves (jobs and balmer). If S3TC gets freely implemented under an open source license with the blessing of HTC, then all the steves need to do to defang that patent is to publish the source to that very small subset of their code.

In fact, if you ASK HTC for permission, they will *DEFINITELY* say no. If you IMPLEMENT it after asking and being turned down, they MUST litigate to protect the validity of the patent. If you do NOT ask but DO implement it, they have the freedom to "turn a blind eye".

[droidhacker]

While I too think it's better to have low quality over black by default, it really is an US issue. Why should people outside have low quality by default, when they can legally get the better one?

As you say, its a US issue. Only applies to US based distros. If you want it by default, pick a non-US and non-Canada based distro.

[droidhacker]

It doesn't, and it still sucks for the people affected.

Just like internet censorship sucks for Chinese citizens. This doesn't mean that our Linux distributions should do THAT by default just because one country has silly laws, either.

Again... pick a non-US based distro or one that doesn't position itself for distribution within the US. Those probably have it enabled by default.

[crazycheese]

• Mandriva (France, but makes profit in the USA)

I think it is Russian Federation now. And I already heard they managed to cripple new release, so the distro is basically dead. Anyway, russians contribute to worldwide distros directly and mostly do not use russian-owned distros(like AltLinux etc)
Magea should be from France.

[V!NCENT]

With the increase of graphics RAM and streaming texture code, this entire compression thing might as well use the ZIP algorithm just for bandwith purposes and decompress with shaders...

If S2TC is compatible with S3TC and doesn't violate the patent, then who cares?

[mirv]

With the increase of graphics RAM and streaming texture code, this entire compression thing might as well use the ZIP algorithm just for bandwith purposes and decompress with shaders...

If S2TC is compatible with S3TC and doesn't violate the patent, then who cares?

The performance hit there would be pretty bad - you still really want hardware texture decompression.

[89c51]

As you say, its a US issue. Only applies to US based distros. If you want it by default, pick a non-US and non-Canada based distro.

wasn't the S3TC patent the one that involved HW stuff in it that made the whole thing a bit more complicated than the floating stuff which was pure software????

[del_diablo]

Germany is not France nor Sweden nor Finland.

[Prescience500]

I presume by "S3" you mean "HTC"....?
The issue here is that HTC needs patents to fight off the patent trolling of the steves (jobs and balmer). If S3TC gets freely implemented under an open source license with the blessing of HTC, then all the steves need to do to defang that patent is to publish the source to that very small subset of their code.

In fact, if you ASK HTC for permission, they will *DEFINITELY* say no. If you IMPLEMENT it after asking and being turned down, they MUST litigate to protect the validity of the patent. If you do NOT ask but DO implement it, they have the freedom to "turn a blind eye".

Why not ask for permission specifically for mesa for Linux and only for mesa for Linux?

[V!NCENT]

the Europe patent law is similar in all eu countries.

You got that bass ackwards... Europe's (read=EU) laws are valid across all of Europe, however, countries may step it up.

That doesn't mean that German law is everywhere, lol...