Mesa's Zink Driver Now Supports OpenGL VR Extensions

[mSparks]

The reason it's taking so long is simple: Many people say how much they want open source drivers but very few people are funding it.

Its more than "just" funding, look how much Redhat has ploughed into wayland - 10s if not 100s of millions of USD over the past 15 years and its going nowhere.

whilst you guys are cracking through some of the hardest problems in comp sci.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dwJLUOj27eI

"Just wow"

Misallocation of funds for sure. But my impression is there is still a lot of doubt surrounding VR generally, and while the underlying tech today has already proven itself - people just don't know it (that, and decent feature complete headsets are still a complete nightmare to get hold of)

[blackiwid]

And I had very hard problems to get it running in the end somehow my previous card hd 6870 or something alike just did give some I think vulcan errors or something, after switching to my rx 5600 that got fixed. so most of my problems to got it even running at all came from that hardware combination except there is nowhere a warning that you need a certain graphic card generation

[blackiwid]

The reason it's taking so long is simple: Many people say how much they want open source drivers but very few people are funding it.

Thanks for the supportive comment, had some contacts on an IRC about stuff, and I should maybe be more specific, I don't say it's your fault at all, it's mostly the vendors it would be there job to release all the specs and drivers in a ideal world, but it's less about upstream but more about A distributions, including graphic drivers sometimes you have to activate a vulkan driver or the correct one is not very user friendly, and the application developer and partially maybe even Valve, their proton could be so good that all vr windows software works under Linux... or heck Valve themself could dev a full VR Video player that is natively there for Linux and Windows, they kind of did that, but that thing is not in a usable state more a proof of concept or demo.

It was more a state on VR in general, even Windows VR sucks currently, either it's expensive, you need a big room setup or it's convenient than you have to use Facebook a company that I don't trust with my data, and want to give access to cameras in my room.

I just think currently and hopefully that is better in 1 year or so, the out of the box support of VR is a bit lacking, and parts of it maybe even longer, as long as there is no VR video player for VR Videos, it's not a good user experience, again not necessarily the fault of your upstream. That said if VR would have been in this state 3 years ago maybe also more user software would exist, but who knows.

I think the industry itself is in it's infancy, especially on the movie site, very few people have such cameras and they are probably very big and not very easy to use in a good way...

On top of that my Stupid headset headband broke and "repaired" it already 5 times with instant glue but of course that does not hold forever... and my AMD GPU can't play videos that are more than 6k. rx 5600xt / ryzen 2700x, again not your fault, but it's not a mature product even in windows.

[haagch]

Even getting monado installed in arch Linux a newer version is a pain in the ass,

Please leave a comment on the monado-git AUR package if something doesn't work.

and most windows mixed Reality controllers are not supported

WIP from thaytan is on this branch https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/thayt...ller-tracking/

The reason it's taking so long is simple: Many people say how much they want open source drivers but very few people are funding it.

not mo mention other Distros...

Some people made a tool called envision to try to make it easier on modern distributions. Check out https://lvra.gitlab.io/

[blackiwid]

1. occulus quest is native linux, its been outselling PS5s and xboxs.

Ok so you take the retarded version of linux as if Android would be the Linux OS not just the same kernel, but whatever for you GNU/Linux support of VR sucks.

And how much games get sold for PS5 and how much for VR? It's maybe not niche for companies designing rooms and stuff like that but I mean for gamers and consumers.

And the worse it is when so much get sold and you still can't use it for vr movies in linux (GNU/Linux) but for fucks sake believe whatever you want, let's just agree to disagree... no interest in a 20 comment dick measuring contest.

[mSparks]

1. I never said other OS support VR well, VR is generally bad supported because it's a niesche.
2. I said it IS (present tense) bad supported, so that in the future Windows will drop support doesn't change much because it's in the future.
3. You ignore my points about the software, native VR Software is anyway rare and proton can just not run everything, and a VR Video Player is a pretty basic thing.

1. occulus quest is native linux, its been outselling PS5s and xboxs. So playstations and xboxes are niche?
2. In what sense is it "bad supported"? the whole point of open source software is you dont need to rely on any single company for support.
3. Not really, I already posted

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dM8Ac9AnF-k

Beat saber has been a best selling game for a while.

But Proton? No thanks, not interested in software written by morons that still think windows is a viable platform for anything.

[blackiwid]

How can you claim WMR support is worse on linux than elsewhere when in a few weeks only Linux will have any kind of support for WMR headsets,

1. I never said other OS support VR well, VR is generally bad supported because it's a niesche.
2. I said it IS (present tense) bad supported, so that in the future Windows will drop support doesn't change much because it's in the future.
3. You ignore my points about the software, native VR Software is anyway rare and proton can just not run everything, and a VR Video Player is a pretty basic thing.

[mSparks]

Since when do Linux devs care which hardware Windows supports? That is new to me.

we were talking about the statement that VR support is bad on linux.

This is simply nonesense, at this point VR on linux is significantly better than VR support on windows or mac (afaict, visionOs still only has tech demos).

How can you claim WMR support is worse on linux than elsewhere when in a few weeks only Linux will have any kind of support for WMR headsets,

[blackiwid]

not even microsoft supports any wmr stuff any more, any wmr drivers installed on winblows boxes are set be deleted in a coming winblows update sometime very soon.

Since when do Linux devs care which hardware Windows supports? That is new to me.

But yes the choices are all bad, either you have roomscale where you need extremely much room and they are extremely expensive often even worse resolution than the cheaper ones except you buy the newest best ones or you can buy from facebook so you give up all privacy from that point on... nice choices. And you addressed still not things I wrote, VR Media Players as example I can buy the most expensive hmd this still gives me a port of those players in Linux.

Also I disagree that no other driver is less hard to install most stuff comes just preinstalled most drivers, so how is that harder or simialary hard than compile for 30 minutes or so or longer a AUR build of monado, that then breaks till you fuck around with the build file... or is very old.

[mSparks]

Even getting monado installed in arch Linux a newer version is a pain in the ass,

also nonesense, there is nothing special that makes it any harder to install on anything than any other hardware driver on any distro, far easier and far far less likely to completely nuke your system than a typical windows driver.

and most windows mixed Reality controllers are not supported

not even microsoft supports any wmr stuff any more, any wmr drivers installed on winblows boxes are set be deleted in a coming winblows update sometime very soon.