Apple Silicon OpenGL & Vulkan Drivers Updated In Mesa 24.3 Git

[Alexmitter]

Because Apple makes the best hardwares, and I'd like to use the best hardware daily.

>The best hardware

Their board designs are a absolute joke, their cooling designs are industry worst and often just wildly out of any spec.

They make a expensive looking lifestyle product with a decent in house CPU, thats all.

[Alexmitter]

As a KDE user, I found this very funny lol

It indeed is, after all KDE is the windows clone from wish.com. It has the same awful interface but without the microsoftness to glue it all together.

[xhustler]

Have some sympathy. Its not his fault. Its what Apple's marketing has told him to think.



I see it as a similar concept to the VAX which OpenBSD still targets. Its not intended to be good. Its just intended to expose bugs as an "exotic" target. Its just a weird aarch64 after all. Nothing that special.

Having used Apple devices (MBP, iPad, iPhone) for over 6 years now, grudgingly, I have to admit that their hardware is top notch. And for all the bluster from FOSS diehards, I find macOS a joy to use. It is easy on the eyes and polished. I dare any of you to refute this. I admit there are oddities with a botched update once in a while.

The trick to enjoying the Apple ecosystem - learn that Apple devices are appliances and not tinker boxes.

[fong38]

It indeed is, after all KDE is the windows clone from wish.com. It has the same awful interface but without the microsoftness to glue it all together.

KDE has the same design philosophy as Win95 only with a fresh coat of paint, modern features and customizability, which I adore. GNOME is too keyboard centric for my liking.

[intelfx]

Apple has what they call the Secure Enclave co-processor, which I'm not super familiar with but my understanding is it's not that different that ME or Pluton. I don't think it's possible to buy any modern system without something similar.

You couldn't be more inaccurate there. Secure Enclave is Apple's take on the TPM, not ME/PSP/Pluton. Totally different things.

[YamashitaRen]

I find macOS a joy to use. It is easy on the eyes and polished. I dare any of you to refute this.

It is certainly easy on the eyes and polished. Like a pretty toy. However, often, I want to be productive on my computer and sadly MacOS ruins it.

[qarium]

With Catalina being the last version of macOS that doesn't require online activation via Apple's DRM platform, in around 20 years, Linux and BSD may well be the only way to reuse the hardware rather than it going into landfill.

this is really horrible news to me.

[smitty3268]

You couldn't be more inaccurate there. Secure Enclave is Apple's take on the TPM, not ME/PSP/Pluton. Totally different things.

What's the difference? Secure Enclave is a co-processor on the SOC running a full OS on it, next to OSX on the main ARM64 chip. Which sounds a lot like Pluton - maybe it doesn't have all the same functionality, I guess, but you're kind of trusting Apple at their word on that given that it's a pretty black box.

The fact that it's running an entire OS makes me think it can do a lot. But like I said, I know very little on this whole topic.

[Dukenukemx]

Because Apple makes the best hardwares, and I'd like to use the best hardware daily.

The only people who believe this are people who never buy anything but Apple products.

Moreover, it's high quality, standardized, fixed hardware. That scenario allows for extra optimizations like how console modders, etc are able to squeeze every bit of performance out of a system.

Except you still have to deal with Intel Macbooks. It's not like Apple gives you the option to use an API like Vulkan, but instead force developers to work with Metal.

Please stop, this is all opinion and not fact based, or even motivated with sources aside from your incredibly lacking statements.

No he's right about graphics. Remember the whole situation when Apple sold Macbooks with defective Nvidia chips?

Haven't had any of such issues myself, nor have any of my colleagues AFAIK (like ~20 users of various M-series MacBook Pros). But this is an issue I have seen pop up online, and I do find the tolerance between the screen and body a bit too tight for my taste, often see my keyboard stained on the panel. But is this failing more often than competitors?

Remember when the M1's were released and wearing out SSD's extremely fast? What do you think happened to those devices?

That makes even less sense and quite the egoist perspective - you're implying here everyone should just follow your principles? And like I said, you're not really rewarding them if you're ditching the only thing that's actually profitable for them.

How about when the US government does it?

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-apple-monopolizing-smartphone-markets

Sure, but those are people who use Apple's products as intended. People who run Linux on them are a lot less likely to be apologists, seeing as they're intentionally going against the grain.

Most Windows computers are not designed to run Linux, but here we are. The difference is that AMD and Intel are making sure their hardware also works on Linux.

Whatever distrust you might have for Apple's policies or software, the hardware seems quite suited as the foundation of a secure, user-centric platform, that's also modern and powerful.

Except when they have an unpatchable hardware flaw called GoFetch. GoFetch doesn't even need root.

https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/unpatchable-flaw-in-apple-m1-m2-m3-chips-gofetch-is-the-new-spectre/

And save, perhaps, those latest Windows 'AI' ARM laptops, which is it's own mess of performance/compatibility/big-brother-energy, you won't find any other laptop that's the same machine on battery as it is plugged into the wall, much less at the performance level of Apple Silicon.

Except for AMD's new Zen5 based chips.

[intelfx]

<...> But like I said, I know very little on this whole topic.

Well yes, and it shows.

What's the difference? Secure Enclave is a co-processor on the SOC running a full OS on it, next to OSX on the main ARM64 chip. Which sounds a lot like Pluton - maybe it doesn't have all the same functionality, I guess, but you're kind of trusting Apple at their word on that given that it's a pretty black box.

The fact that it's running an entire OS makes me think it can do a lot.

It does not matter what runs on the Secure Enclave. What matters is that SEP does not have full access to the rest of the system. SEP communicates with AP using a small number of dedicated interfaces, which is indeed much more similar to a TPM than to a ME/PSP-style coprocessor.

So no, it does not sound "a lot like Pluton" (well, maybe to someone with a very superficial understanding of the subject matter), and you don't have to trust Apple at their word (more so than you have to trust any other hardware manufacturer).