Apple Silicon OpenGL & Vulkan Drivers Updated In Mesa 24.3 Git

[jonkoops]

apple butterfly keyboard

They haven't shipped those keyboards for years now, ever since they moved away from the touch bar they have been using a variant of the older design. I have a M1 Pro, and never had issues with the keyboard, it is excellent.

graphic card issue

for iphone is worst

Please stop, this is all opinion and not fact based, or even motivated with sources aside from your incredibly lacking statements.

macbook m1, m2 screen crack

Haven't had any of such issues myself, nor have any of my colleagues AFAIK (like ~20 users of various M-series MacBook Pros). But this is an issue I have seen pop up online, and I do find the tolerance between the screen and body a bit too tight for my taste, often see my keyboard stained on the panel. But is this failing more often than competitors?

[schmidtbag]

No, it makes perfect sense. Why reward the company that is antithesis to my principles.

That makes even less sense and quite the egoist perspective - you're implying here everyone should just follow your principles? And like I said, you're not really rewarding them if you're ditching the only thing that's actually profitable for them.

I just feel that people get too excited about their shit, and apologises for their behaviour.

Sure, but those are people who use Apple's products as intended. People who run Linux on them are a lot less likely to be apologists, seeing as they're intentionally going against the grain.

And for what it's worth, I'm not an Apple fan/apologist, but I don't fault anyone for wanting their products, let alone want to put their own OS on it.

[skeevy420]

It's irrelevant if their hardware is the "best" if it's so proprietary that it never works right unless you only play where they allow you and only to do what they allow you to.
That sounds not-fit-for-purpose, and therefore "best" doesn't make sense.

As I said it's very laudable that Alyssa and others are working so hard to keep these things out of the landfill, but we should really stop rewarding Apple for it.

It's not just Apple, every game console has this same issue. IMHO, the argument should be that companies are allowed to release fixed hardware with non-fixed software that can be updated while not allowing the buyer of the hardware to run their own OS and software. Longterm, companies will drop games, services, and hardware. That's just more plastic boxes, chips, disks, cartridges, and other bullshit that ends up as trash if the buyers and users of the hardware and games can't keep it alive with custom software or even emulation for software preservation, but emulation and software preservation doesn't work everywhere or is applicable to everything since this same issue plagues tractors and modern vehicles in general, anything IoT and Smart Home, damn-near anything tech related. Emulating your Smart Doorbell isn't very effective at identifying Amazon thieves. The Rights To Install Software and To Own Our Hardware And Use It As We'd Like matter and are important. Stop Rewarding Apple won't do anything since they're only one company in a veritable ocean of companies that release unmodifiable-by-the-user hardware or have done enough untrustworthy actions like data mining that we'd like to use their hardware with FOSS alternatives for their OS and other pieces of software.

No, it makes perfect sense. Why reward the company that is antithesis to my principles.
I just feel that people get too excited about their shit, and apologises for their behaviour.

PS: It's irrelevant if this is a loss leader or not. I also don't care if it's ARM, X86 RiscV or protein powered (although it would be cool to give my PC food...)

That could be the basis for a porno horror movie. A sex doll goes on a murderous rampage because it isn't given enough "protein" to keep it happily powered.

[ehansin]

I'm writing this on a 2017 Air running the latest allowed macOS 12. Still a solid laptop and works great for what it is needed for. I installed Asahi Linux on a couple Mac M1 devices that came past me at work to test out and have since scrubbed for others to use as macOS-only devices. Was an easy install experience.

I have another M1 laptop that I am sitting on for now I might run for myself for a bit with Asahi. In regards to hardware, and I take issue with Apple as a company for many things, I have found it mostly pretty solid. And I'd rather see this old hardware get new life when Apple pulls the plug on any old hardware regarding OS updates. Better than in the landfill. Just this alone I see as a positive regarding the efforts here, not to mention all the learning and understanding happening.

[dragon321]

I still don't get why this takes so much Linux conversation space. It's very laudable, but... this is Apple. They are about as far away as having freedom to use our own hardware the way we want.

Yes, it's really really really impressive that so much have been opened up on these super-closed, super-proprietary systems.

It's pretty interesting that you call Apple Silicon Macs "super-closed, super-proprietary systems" when in fact they are pretty open in terms of using third party operating system. In some firmware update Apple even added RAW image mode to their firmware to make life simpler for third party operating systems. Compare that to some Windows ARM laptops where Secure Boot only allows Windows to boot and you can't even disable it.

But what about the small improvements done by other Linux-friendly vendors, like Tuxedo, Starlabs, Framework etc... and sent upstream. I would honestly like the world to move away from the obsession with powerful US tech companies.

What about them? Asahi Linux is community project. Why would you want to dictate people what they should do in their free time?

[QwertyChouskie]

You'd never catch me voluntarily buying a new Apple product due to their anti-repair greenwashing anti-consumer [bleep]-you attitude, but as someone using a 16" M3 MacBook Pro provided by my work, the hardware is actually quite nice, at least as long as it doesn't break anyways. macOS, on the other hand, feels like a clone of Gnome from Wish.com. Like, it has most* of the individual components that make Gnome good, but lacks most of the cohesion and spacial flow that makes Gnome good.

*The fact that I have to use a 3rd party application for window snapping, a basic feature that has been in Windows since 2009 and Linux since like 2010, is just really dumb; Apple is just now getting around to adding it in 2024/25 with the upcoming macOS 15. And don't get me started on Finder...

[ravyne]

I'll bite on ways in which Apple hardware has a real advantage -- There's no processor with unfettered hardware-level access doing it's own thing like Intel's Management Engine or AMD's equivalent.

To get this in x86 land, you need a decades-old machine or one that's just a decade old, modified with core boot to disable it. You're limited to a few particular machines or motherboards, and you won't find anything more powerful than early-model i7s. You could go for a more esoteric machine like the Raptor PowerPC workstation, but that's expensive, and aging, and isn't a laptop.

Whatever distrust you might have for Apple's policies or software, the hardware seems quite suited as the foundation of a secure, user-centric platform, that's also modern and powerful.

And save, perhaps, those latest Windows 'AI' ARM laptops, which is it's own mess of performance/compatibility/big-brother-energy, you won't find any other laptop that's the same machine on battery as it is plugged into the wall, much less at the performance level of Apple Silicon.

[ParkourFumble]

macOS, on the other hand, feels like a clone of Gnome from Wish.com.

As a KDE user, I found this very funny lol

[ahrs]

I still don't get why this takes so much Linux conversation space.
It's very laudable, but... this is Apple. They are about as far away as having freedom to use our own hardware the way we want.

Because stupid people buy them and sometimes want to run Linux on them. In my younger days I was one of these people, but this was with a reasonably well supported Intel MacBook except for the hellish Broadcom WiFi, terrible battery life and really bad fan control / cooling.

[smitty3268]

I'll bite on ways in which Apple hardware has a real advantage -- There's no processor with unfettered hardware-level access doing it's own thing like Intel's Management Engine or AMD's equivalent.

Apple has what they call the Secure Enclave co-processor, which I'm not super familiar with but my understanding is it's not that different that ME or Pluton. I don't think it's possible to buy any modern system without something similar.