Every time I watch Star Wars and someone says "master Jedi" I get seriously triggered!! The should change the movie and use "main Jedi" because context doesn't matter for this evil words!! /s
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Originally posted by microcode View Post
If you are ESL I could sorta understand getting that impression, but this is not how the word "master" works in English.
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Looking at the reactions to GitHub renaming "master" to "main", there are a LOT of people who welcomed that. If this change helps mesa become more popular and attract more contributors, then it's a good change.
Personally, I come from a place where slavery never existed, and neither has racism. But I can respect that there are people who are sensitive to these topics, and if this helps them feel more welcome, then why not?
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Originally posted by mykolak View Post
On contrary this moves away from politicization. There is group A which doesn't see any political meaning in git's `master` and group B which sees a political meaning in git's `master`. With `main` both groups don't see any political meaning. And again this very simple change, it's just branch name.
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Originally posted by Venemo View PostLooking at the reactions to GitHub renaming "master" to "main", there are a LOT of people who welcomed that. If this change helps mesa become more popular and attract more contributors, then it's a good change.
Personally, I come from a place where slavery never existed, and neither has racism. But I can respect that there are people who are sensitive to these topics, and if this helps them feel more welcome, then why not?Last edited by ms178; 09 August 2020, 09:57 AM.
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Originally posted by microcode View Post
If you are ESL I could sorta understand getting that impression, but this is not how the word "master" works in English.
So 'master' is poorly named in my opinion, and I am a native speaker with a Linguistics degree. Mercurial's trunk is a better name, and so is 'main' or 'default'.
Also look again at whitelists and blacklists. Blacklist is not obvious in its meaning, rather it's a term you have to learn, but blocklist or denylist is: these terms define themselves, which is always a good quality of a name in code. This is also why 'upstream' is a good name, it is figuratively clear.
Clearly there is a lot of hostility to these changes, because the stream of projects adopting these ideas provokes a very consistent response in these forums, just as the Linux code of conduct changes about two years ago created a lot of fearful responses. In that case: if the fear was really motivated by technical concerns, it's time for opponents to concede the fears were unjustified. Linux releases have just got bigger and better. If you search for code of conduct, there are hardly any results after Sept 2018. This is not the same as saying the the code of conduct has improved diversity, that I don't know, but it doesn't look like it has caused harm, despite the predictions that a critical mass of developers would storm out and remove their code.
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Originally posted by ms178 View Post
What is wrong with sticking to an established naming convention?
In fact, the original author behind the the "master" branch naming in git has the following to say about that:
I picked the names "master" (and "origin") in the early Git tooling back in 2005. (this probably means you shouldn't give much weight to my name preferences ) I have wished many times I would have named them "main" (and "upstream") instead.
https://twitter.com/xpasky/status/12...756056577?s=20
The branch naming has nothing to do with racism or slavery and people which claim that this kind of language makes them feel unwelcome and uncomfortable have serious self-esteem issues which they should consider to deal with first. Why should the community accustom to them and not the other way around?
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Originally posted by ms178 View PostI don't consider your equation to be correct though. The main issue here is that group A doesn't see a point in changing anything just because group B sees a political meaning in it. Giving in to group B divides the community in my eyes and doesn't solve anything.
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