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  • blackiwid
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    Originally posted by Gusar View Post
    Like I said, the Baytrail laptop has 32bit UEFI, it's the netbook that has 64bit UEFI. Yes, I have two Baytrail machines here. And it wasn't hard at all regarding the laptop, at least for me who knows how to roll one's own LiveUSB. However, it's a laptop, so pretty much standard hardware in it when it comes to wifi and audio and such. Tablets are quite different, more on that bellow.

    Please, let's stick to technical stuff, conspiracy theories are just uber stupid. Yes, there *are* other reasons. Tablets are considered "embedded" hardware. With this come various differences to "standard" hardware, such as peripherals (wifi, audio) being attached to SDIO instead of PCI, which means different methods to enumerate and access them. And various other platform-specific stuff, for example to deal with hardware appearing and disappearing at any moment (think tablet/laptop hybrid) or to deal with tablets being "always-on" devices (so special considerations when it comes to power saving).

    That's a matter of drivers. Linux is a bit behind here (I'm talking upstream kernel here, not for example Android kernels), but that's a Linux problem. Sure this problem might come from lack of standardization in the embedded space and/or lack of documentation from hardware vendors. But it's nevertheless more of a Linux problem, rather than something inherent in tablets.

    Of course, because of all the above I went for a classic netbook instead of a tablet or hybrid. My point isn't that things are peachy, my point is don't throw conspiracy theories at Intel or outright dismiss them as the "bad guys" who make crappy hardware, but rather try to actually understand the problem space.

    A conspirincy THEORY would be something I just think out of my bud, its more a thoughtprocess of what I think is the most plausible reasons, and when we have documented behaviour of sabotaged acpi shit in the past to help microsoft hold their monopoly, its not so unlikly that I am right. Another point would be that intel did also make some antitrust shit in the past.

    Big companies are in general primary evil, how this evilness (maximise of the interest) exactly is working togehter or against others I cant definatly say.

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  • Gusar
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    Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
    So how difficult it is you cant know because you did not have to do it, because you had 64bit uefi.
    Like I said, the Baytrail laptop has 32bit UEFI, it's the netbook that has 64bit UEFI. Yes, I have two Baytrail machines here. And it wasn't hard at all regarding the laptop, at least for me who knows how to roll one's own LiveUSB. However, it's a laptop, so pretty much standard hardware in it when it comes to wifi and audio and such. Tablets are quite different, more on that bellow.

    Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
    And there is just no reason except dumbness or that they get payed from microsoft doing that
    Please, let's stick to technical stuff, conspiracy theories are just uber stupid. Yes, there *are* other reasons. Tablets are considered "embedded" hardware. With this come various differences to "standard" hardware, such as peripherals (wifi, audio) being attached to SDIO instead of PCI, which means different methods to enumerate and access them. And various other platform-specific stuff, for example to deal with hardware appearing and disappearing at any moment (think tablet/laptop hybrid) or to deal with tablets being "always-on" devices (so special considerations when it comes to power saving).

    Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
    having problems with resolutions/batlife/input
    That's a matter of drivers. Linux is a bit behind here (I'm talking upstream kernel here, not for example Android kernels), but that's a Linux problem. Sure this problem might come from lack of standardization in the embedded space and/or lack of documentation from hardware vendors. But it's nevertheless more of a Linux problem, rather than something inherent in tablets.

    Of course, because of all the above I went for a classic netbook instead of a tablet or hybrid. My point isn't that things are peachy, my point is don't throw conspiracy theories at Intel or outright dismiss them as the "bad guys" who make crappy hardware, but rather try to actually understand the problem space.

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  • blackiwid
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    Originally posted by Gusar View Post
    It is very much compatible. Distros don't ship 32bit UEFI loaders on their LiveUSBs, so you have to roll your own, but then it's no problem getting Linux to run. Arch even has 32bit loaders in its repositories, which makes this quite easy. I know this first hand, next to me right now is a Baytrail (Pentium N3510) laptop with 32bit UEFI, and I have a custom LiveUSB that boots on it without issues.

    Also, things are changing, I thought my Baytrail netbook will have 32bit UEFI, but it turned out it's 64bit! So 32bit UEFI might be a thing of the past, it's only current generation tablets that still have it.
    I know that its possible, but if you have such a noobwall so that only 1% of the normal linux-user base will install linux onto it the support for the hardware gets even slower better, because then u dont have bugreports in the right amount etc.

    and its no trivial thing, when I looked there were nowhere tutorials how you do it, there were only forum sites with the information with several steps on several pages splited. no 1-10 points where you just can copy the commands needed.

    So how difficult it is you cant know because you did not have to do it, because you had 64bit uefi.

    In the end I skipped highres laptop and found a refurbished thinkpad with a docking station so its now my new basemachine this baytrail atom things would been only a secondary maschine, and bought instead a cheap tablet.

    And I am happy if intel gets their shit togehter in the future, but with baytrail tablets+docks uefi wasnt the only problem just the thing that was to much then... having problems with resolutions/batlife/input... I just dont trutst that this will work out fast if the laptop NEVER boots a normal linux(installer) And I dont want to be forced to use a special linux or have to invest much time if I want to install another. For fedora there was not even a post anywhere how they got that installer bootet at all.

    And there is just no reason except dumbness or that they get payed from microsoft doing that, that they not included a 64bit uefi on this 64bit processors, I just never seen such stupid move. Whats next removing 4+x gb ram support from a 64bit prozessor?

    And if you think I am a conspirity theorist, Ive seen emails proving companies did talk about how they include damaged acpi tables for non-windows oses, but of couse they had a good reason to do so, or this mails are all fake...
    Last edited by blackiwid; 25 December 2014, 08:09 AM.

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  • drSeehas
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    Gka20a?

    "GKA20A" huh, what is this?

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  • jimbohale
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    Originally posted by Dukenukemx View Post
    Still non existing phones in general. It's no secret that Tegra isn't doing as well as Nvidia had hoped. There's a reason that Nvidia is suing Samsung and Qualcomm, but I doubt it's about anything actually stolen by them. Samsung and Qualcomm are just huge and own the majority of the Android market. But Qualcomm is just a juggernaut, and Nvidia ain't too happy about competition.
    What are you talking about? I can very literally go to the nearest Best Buy (if you're not American, it's a very common electronics retailer) and buy a computer (Chromebook) with NVIDIA Tegra in it. Additionally, phones are very much computers these days. The Nexus 9, the flagship Nexus phone that sells like hotcakes uses Tegra. I think Tegra is doing fine. Stop making bullshit up.

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  • Gusar
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    Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
    when I noticed that even intel-tablets with baytrail come with linux-incompatible 32bit uefi.
    It is very much compatible. Distros don't ship 32bit UEFI loaders on their LiveUSBs, so you have to roll your own, but then it's no problem getting Linux to run. Arch even has 32bit loaders in its repositories, which makes this quite easy. I know this first hand, next to me right now is a Baytrail (Pentium N3510) laptop with 32bit UEFI, and I have a custom LiveUSB that boots on it without issues.

    Also, things are changing, I thought my Baytrail netbook will have 32bit UEFI, but it turned out it's 64bit! So 32bit UEFI might be a thing of the past, it's only current generation tablets that still have it.

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  • blackiwid
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    Originally posted by eydee View Post
    Well, I'm old fashioned and still believe in computers, and think phones are meant for making a phone call...

    (Does android really use noveau or are we talking about the still non-existent ubuntu phones?)
    what are you dreaming Ubutu-phone-droid will not ship ever with free grafics drivers, at least not with nvidia gpus, maybe one day (say never never) with intel gpu but even that ship sank for me, when I noticed that even intel-tablets with baytrail come with linux-incompatible 32bit uefi. Wintel forever.

    No they will use the android nvidia blobs with this ndiswrapper-loader-thingy.

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  • Dukenukemx
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    Originally posted by eydee View Post
    Well, I'm old fashioned and still believe in computers, and think phones are meant for making a phone call...

    (Does android really use noveau or are we talking about the still non-existent ubuntu phones?)
    Still non existing phones in general. It's no secret that Tegra isn't doing as well as Nvidia had hoped. There's a reason that Nvidia is suing Samsung and Qualcomm, but I doubt it's about anything actually stolen by them. Samsung and Qualcomm are just huge and own the majority of the Android market. But Qualcomm is just a juggernaut, and Nvidia ain't too happy about competition.

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  • eydee
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    Originally posted by jimbohale View Post
    Yes nobody uses Tegra... oh wait, they do. It's in a LOT of phones and an increasing number of mobile computers running ARM. Be thankful. It's not like they have to do it or should even be expected to, nor is it easier to do it that way.
    Well, I'm old fashioned and still believe in computers, and think phones are meant for making a phone call...

    (Does android really use noveau or are we talking about the still non-existent ubuntu phones?)

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  • jimbohale
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    Originally posted by eydee View Post
    Of course nothing for people with video cards, only some code for some exotic chips no one uses. The way it's meant to be played...
    Yes nobody uses Tegra... oh wait, they do. It's in a LOT of phones and an increasing number of mobile computers running ARM. Be thankful. It's not like they have to do it or should even be expected to, nor is it easier to do it that way.

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