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  • aht0
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    Originally posted by birdie
    Besides firmware might control many crucial things like voltages, fans, etc., so this way NVIDIA guarantees that its products won't be misused and won't die due to some open source developer mistake.
    Originally posted by whitecat View Post

    Open-Source developers won't do mistake if all was clearly documented...
    I wouldn't be so sure about it. Remember "rm -rf /" in Linux, UEFI vars and resulting bricked motherboards?

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  • liam
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    Originally posted by cj.wijtmans View Post
    I am not anti anything. I just care about facts. And the fact is bolsheviks starved millions of people to death pre ww2. Which led nazi germany to hate and stigma jews. Btw i looked up statistics and suposedly 25% (high estimates) of jewish casualties in nazi germany. 34% in nazi austria. Apart from a few countries where these numbers were lower. Greece was up to 93%. Seems a bit odd to me that they were safer in mazi germany than they were in neighboring countries if nazi germans were commiting a genocide against them. In contrast to the kurds where millions have been killed and displaced from their homeland. Also not so weird to have so many casualties when you know 80 million people have died in ww2 and perhaps 20 million by bolsheviks pre ww2. But you will never heard about communist jews starving germans to death pre ww2
    You didn't actually answer my main question.
    I'd also be curious from where you got your facts, because, I've not seen numbers that low from reputable sources.

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  • cj.wijtmans
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    I am not anti anything. I just care about facts. And the fact is bolsheviks starved millions of people to death pre ww2. Which led nazi germany to hate and stigma jews. Btw i looked up statistics and suposedly 25% (high estimates) of jewish casualties in nazi germany. 34% in nazi austria. Apart from a few countries where these numbers were lower. Greece was up to 93%. Seems a bit odd to me that they were safer in mazi germany than they were in neighboring countries if nazi germans were commiting a genocide against them. In contrast to the kurds where millions have been killed and displaced from their homeland. Also not so weird to have so many casualties when you know 80 million people have died in ww2 and perhaps 20 million by bolsheviks pre ww2. But you will never heard about communist jews starving germans to death pre ww2

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  • liam
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    Originally posted by cj.wijtmans View Post
    So i geuss all the electric chairs in the US are proof of genocide against the irish or black people? You make no sense. You have to come with solid proof. I am not saying it was fun to be a jew in nazi germany. But if we are talking about real genocides think about the turks against the byzantium empire, the armenians, assyrians etc. And to date the kurds.
    What would you consider evidence for the holocaust?
    BTW, I don't know if you are an anti-semite, but this:

    Originally posted by cj.wijtmans
    Famine was rampant before WW2 (including the ones caused by communistic jews whom starved dozens of millions people to death. And rich jewish bankers that starved germans to death.) So you cant really blame the nazis for starting a war across europe and against soviet union to chase the bolsheviks and other racist jewish extreme groups down.
    sounds really, really bad following a comment about Holocaust evidence.

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  • cj.wijtmans
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    Originally posted by Luke View Post

    Holocaust deniers should take the "Zyklon B Challenge:" step into one of the still-existing and preserved gas chambers near the ovens with I G Farben's name cast into the door. Drop the Zykon B pellets into the acid and see if you die. If the Holocaust did not happen you will survive because the gas chamber you are sealed inside does not exist, nor does the gas.

    Seriously, I've fought many battles in the streets against neo Nazis, pubishing videos of those fights is one of the things I use computers for! BTW, too many denials of this particular historical fact could get this site or any other banned by T-Mobile's "Web Guard" filter that requires ID or a social security number to get taken off the account, or use of Tor to bypass.
    So i geuss all the electric chairs in the US are proof of genocide against the irish or black people? You make no sense. You have to come with solid proof. I am not saying it was fun to be a jew in nazi germany. But if we are talking about real genocides think about the turks against the byzantium empire, the armenians, assyrians etc. And to date the kurds.

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  • Luke
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    Originally posted by cj.wijtmans
    There is a lot of historical propaganda surrounding the holocaust. There is still no evidence for the gas chambers. Famine was rampant before WW2 (including the ones caused by communistic jews whom starved dozens of millions people to death. And rich jewish bankers that starved germans to death.) So you cant really blame the nazis for starting a war across europe and against soviet union to chase the bolsheviks and other racist jewish extreme groups down. Not that the nazis were sweethearts ofcourse. But i just cant stand the cuddling of groups that were just as bad.
    Holocaust deniers should take the "Zyklon B Challenge:" step into one of the still-existing and preserved gas chambers near the ovens with I G Farben's name cast into the door. Drop the Zykon B pellets into the acid and see if you die. If the Holocaust did not happen you will survive because the gas chamber you are sealed inside does not exist, nor does the gas.

    Seriously, I've fought many battles in the streets against neo Nazis, pubishing videos of those fights is one of the things I use computers for! BTW, too many denials of this particular historical fact could get this site or any other banned by T-Mobile's "Web Guard" filter that requires ID or a social security number to get taken off the account, or use of Tor to bypass.

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  • System25
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    Originally posted by Gusar View Post
    But of course they do. It's just that one version is already on the CPU, which is how the catch-22 is avoided. But one can optionally load a newer version every boot, in Linux this is done using the microcode module if you have intel-ucode/amd-ucode packages (distros might name these differently) installed.
    Actually, updating uCode in CPU is quite optional - CPU supposed to work out of the box. Sure, it can fix some bugs but actually most CPUs would run okay without doing so.

    So, I figure you never use wireless. Or wired for that matter, as at least Realtek NICs use firmware too. Like with CPUs, these NICs already contain a version of the firmware, but the driver will attempt to load newer versions that are distributed in the linux-firmware package.
    Wireless varies wildly. Say, most of PCI and PCI-E Atheros-based .n devices would not requre any external firmware blobs. Also, Atheros based "carl9170" USB devices are unique in sense they have opensource firmware.

    And when it comes to wired, most devices do not need firmware at all. Most of Realtek ICs as well. Some few ICs actually take some small firmware though, but I would rather call it exception than usual state of things.

    Bottom line - FOSS is already very much "polluted" with closed binaries
    It is really nice to clean up all that crap as much as we can. Surprise, surprise.

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  • Gusar
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    Originally posted by Forge View Post
    Troll, your bridge is unattended.
    You should really be careful before saying things like that. Because...

    Originally posted by Forge View Post
    None of the other complex "computational processors" in my PCs require a binary blob to work.
    But of course they do. It's just that one version is already on the CPU, which is how the catch-22 is avoided. But one can optionally load a newer version every boot, in Linux this is done using the microcode module if you have intel-ucode/amd-ucode packages (distros might name these differently) installed.

    Originally posted by Forge View Post
    Do not attempt to pollute FOSS projects with closed binaries, kkthx.
    So, I figure you never use wireless. Or wired for that matter, as at least Realtek NICs use firmware too. Like with CPUs, these NICs already contain a version of the firmware, but the driver will attempt to load newer versions that are distributed in the linux-firmware package.

    Bottom line - FOSS is already very much "polluted" with closed binaries, so singling out one particular company is silly, especially when you start your post with accusations of trolling.

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  • Forge
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    Originally posted by birdie View Post
    This is a pure speculation. I guess NVIDIA has nothing against redistributing firmware blobs (after all NVIDIA drivers can be freely downloaded). It's just crazy open source fanatics who hate firmware.



    That makes perfect sense. Modern GPUs are no longer just stupid video cards - they are computational processors which can perform many different operations beyond just computing geometry and then applying T&L, e.g. GPUs can work with system memory more or less directly, just like CPUs, so it makes sense to verify firmware to avoid nasty things which NVIDIA cannot control.

    Besides firmware might control many crucial things like voltages, fans, etc., so this way NVIDIA guarantees that its products won't be misused and won't die due to some open source developer mistake. NVIDIA can employ hundreds of people to do proper QC & QA which is unheard of in the Linux world.



    How so?

    Michael, don't be a fanatic.
    Troll, your bridge is unattended. None of the other complex "computational processors" in my PCs require a binary blob to work. In fact, with Intel and AMD's CPUs, that would be a nasty catch-22, since there's nothing to load any binary blob before the CPU is running. Nvidia: DO NOT WANT. Do not attempt to pollute FOSS projects with closed binaries, kkthx.

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  • Luke
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    Foxconn does have competitors

    Originally posted by DMJC View Post
    You realise that Foxconn manufacture most of the motherboards in the world right? Not just Intel, not just Apple.... They manufacture for everyone because they offer the cheapest workers, and they keep their name off the products they make.
    Desktop motherboards can be obtained from companes that directly compete with Foxconn, such as Gigabyte. If you build your own hardware, you can bypass the worst component suppliers. To me that means Intel and Foxconn.

    In this article http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/30...xconn-gigabyte a commentor calls Gigabyte a clear winner over Foxconn for "employee longevity." Probably the same is true of all the other Taiwanese motherboard companies that still use the chain of factories on Tiawan instead of moving to mainland China like Foxconn did. Asustek, Gigabyte, ASRock, MSI, and Biostar are all based in Tiawan. I think Foxconn started out there but moved to mainland China to save money at the price or worker's rights, health, and safety. I've only seen Foxconn mentioned in stories about worker suicides at gated and fenced in factory/housing complexes!

    When you get motherboards in the box at a computer store, you probably won't even see Foxconn offered, and the boards come with overclocking firmware to boot and probably will always come with unlocked/unlockable boot firmware.

    Foxconn is a big OEM supplier, in general I would advise to use desktops as much as possible for power hardware as you can build them yourself and avoid problematic suppliers. Mobile hardware has so many problems ranging from Congolese coltan used in tantalum capacitors to fabs like Foxconn that best advice is to buy used or as infrequently as possible, rather like buying clothing in that respect.

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