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  • phoronix
    started a topic NVIDIA Talks Of Optimus Possibilities For Linux

    NVIDIA Talks Of Optimus Possibilities For Linux

    Phoronix: NVIDIA Talks Of Optimus Possibilities For Linux

    A NVIDIA Linux engineer is trying to work on code that could lead to official Optimus support under Linux, but there's a catch... And it falls outside of NVIDIA Corp as the fate of this multi-GPU notebook feature could now fall with the Linux kernel developers...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTA0ODE

  • scjet
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    Nutvidia

    Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
    You are free to express your dissatisfaction with how optimus is handled but could you stop being a nutjob about it?


    They only sell nvidia stuff? Is for example the radeon hd 7970M not high end enaugh?


    Buy a notebook with a radeon 7970 and you have powerful graphics and even if it has powerXpress you have a good chance it'll work on linux.

    Unfortunately it's pretty hard to actually find notebooks with the hd 7970m. Why seem Schenker, Eurocom and Alienware to be the only ones that have it at all?
    nvidia Optimus, and AMD's version of it is just wrong, unfair, and it's crap,..., the point is they (meaning Intel, Nvidia, AMD, and Microsoft) are simply TELLING you "NO", to Linux as a viable Laptop/Workstation alternative.

    ...There is nothing "nutjob" about that - except maybe for YOU, and that's sad.
    Last edited by scjet; 06-02-2012, 08:11 AM.

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  • crazycheese
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    Originally posted by tehehe View Post
    Since neither nvidia nor amd care as much about linux as we would like to lets get matter in our own hands. Lets ask current developers what needs to be done and assign bounties to each tasks (like summer of code by google). We should use kickstarter or something like that to raise funds. Money is like universal language Lets face it - it will never happen otherwise or it will happen in such slow pace that linux will always be behind.
    +1

    Please +1 if you support the idea. Lets get some stats.

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  • tehehe
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    Since neither nvidia nor amd care as much about linux as we would like to lets get matter in our own hands. Lets ask current developers what needs to be done and assign bounties to each tasks (like summer of code by google). We should use kickstarter or something like that to raise funds. Money is like universal language Lets face it - it will never happen otherwise or it will happen in such slow pace that linux will always be behind.

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  • Qaridarium
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    Originally posted by scjet View Post
    It's also slowly getting impossible on the nvidia end, thanks to Optimess, skrew your Bumblebee the average user ain't gonna fuss with that so nvidia Optimess marks the end of Multimedia workstation in fact the title of this Thread is a big FAIL "NVIDIA Talks Of Optimus Possibilities For Linux" it's all LIES from nvidia/intel/Microsoft... including AMD -they all DO NOT want to OpenSource anything, because they are all coporate.... capitalism and opensource will never walk hand in hand.
    yes you are right and i share your point of view this all is a big deal from MAFIA and these companys are all IN the MAFIA "Nvidia+AMD+Microsoft" to hurt "linux" and opensource

    so much lies around for example AMD's first day catalyst linux support then you buy a hd7970 on release date and but the card into your linux system and then? Trolololololol you are DOOMED for more than 2 weeks and then Bridgman our hero pops up and manage to push out a alpfa/beta bug-lie-ware link from the internet to fix there linux "lies"

    then the FACT that the linux catalyst is ALWAYS hold back if the windows catalyst is in microsoft Microsoft WHQL driver Zertification imagine this the linux users do have BUGS and AMD do have the fIX ready but they PREVER to hold back the driver for 3-4 weeks only with a "secret plan" to hurt linux! (in this case to not favor linux over windows has the same effect)

    then the Marketshare calculation of "Linux" andorid is not calculated as a "Linux" Trolololololol and ubuntu is not calculated as linux because its ubuntu and redhat is not calculated as linux because its redhat and suse is not linux its suse! you know? LOL because of this the andorid money goes into the catalyst driver team because you know the customers don't care they only get a pice of shit with the name hardware and the only usefull think they can do with it is to put it into the paperbox!
    also you know linux is only the factor of warez windwos in the statistic! linux do have ZERO market share because they all install "windows" you know?

    then the OEM LIE LOL.... in the world of AMD you never buy a AMD graphic card only OEM buy AMD products and they make sure that if you buy a graphiccard dirctly from AMD a Radeon HD 6550D for example you only get 10% of the speed with the "radeon" to make sure you get a slower CPU than the intel product and a slower GPU than the intel product to make sure you never buy a AMD product again if you want to use opensource drivers. and don't even try to buy a OEM product you will not get any support from AMD because you never buyed any chip from amd!

    the message is clear: fuck of and buy Intel or We piss on your grave!

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  • scjet
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    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
    its a bug because shit isn't "good" if your child comes to you with shit in his hands you say a well its 'Good' to bring me shit?
    its a illogical "bug" it says the opposite of what it should mean.

    but yes its my problem i have to deal with it because ALL other humans use it in this illogical way.



    and again your words make no sense to me because: if i buy a very expensive workstation fireGL board i get the same "Shit(only hd7970 series)" Open-Source driver.
    this means your words chance NOTHING! i need to buy maybe workstation 1000-5000 cards in a special deal to get any difference in the open-source driver.

    in my feeling AMD just make fun of Linux users. because FireGL cards make no sense to open-source users at all. this really suck!

    Why not sell opensource-cards in the same price range of the fireGL cards without support for the catalyst fireGL extensions and then spend the money on the opensource driver instead of the fireGL catalyst team ?

    yes yes i know we already get your answer.... LOL AMD just make fun of Linux users.



    you don't get it the board manufacturer isn't the customer!
    and the Retail market isn't the OEM market!
    A Retail customer like me pay MORE MONEY for the SAME product compared to an "OEM customer"
    Retail market is: extra stuff in the box extra support extra guarantee and extra service and most of the time a higher skilled customer.

    I'm a AMD "Retail" customer for 15 years! i always buy my retail AMD CPU boxes and ATI Retail boxes and so one.

    i even buy AMD if Intel is "better" but in fact what do i get fore it? a "Bridgman" calling me not a "AMD" customer because i'm not "big OEM" LOL...

    really shame on you!

    and KANO is right if you buy a "Radeon HD 6550D" there isn't any OEM company between the REAL customer and AMD.




    in fact the large board manufacturer isn't the customer of AMD chips because for the board manufacturer its only a "through ongoing post"

    if i and no one buys a amd chipset based card from the board manufacturer then the board manufacturer don't buy AMD chips!

    because of this fact WE ARE THE CUSTOMERS ! and not the "board manufacturer "

    and again the opensource driver is a big fail on a "Radeon HD 6550D" and no OEM is between this card and the customers!

    the open-source driver is only OK for Retail-Desktop cards like my hd4770 because power management doesn't matter and performance is 60-70% of the catalyst.

    then the "Fusion-APU" is a big fail with open-source drivers you only get 10% of the speed of the catalyst and power-management care for the most fusion-APU systems!

    if you watch the performance of INTELs opensource driver no one would buy a "Radeon HD 6550D" system to use the opensource driver because you get much more speed with the opensource driver on the intel side.

    for me its impossible to buy a AMD-APU system to use it for the "radeon" driver because AMD just make fun of (opensource)Linux users.
    It's also slowly getting impossible on the nvidia end, thanks to Optimess, skrew your Bumblebee the average user ain't gonna fuss with that so nvidia Optimess marks the end of Multimedia workstation in fact the title of this Thread is a big FAIL "NVIDIA Talks Of Optimus Possibilities For Linux" it's all LIES from nvidia/intel/Microsoft... including AMD -they all DO NOT want to OpenSource anything, because they are all coporate.... capitalism and opensource will never walk hand in hand.

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  • crazycheese
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    Nice talkin and all, but I don't think Mr. Bridgeman is in position to change anything. This is the only single problem I have with AMD (which is the source of all other problems).

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  • Qaridarium
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    Originally posted by bridgman View Post
    I'm pretty sure it's a bug in the language...
    its a bug because shit isn't "good" if your child comes to you with shit in his hands you say a well its 'Good' to bring me shit?
    its a illogical "bug" it says the opposite of what it should mean.

    but yes its my problem i have to deal with it because ALL other humans use it in this illogical way.

    Originally posted by bridgman View Post
    Yep, I agree that back then you could buy a retail ATI card, same way you can buy a retail AMD CPU today. Today all our consumer graphics cards are built and marketed by our board partners, and we only sell workstation boards directly.
    and again your words make no sense to me because: if i buy a very expensive workstation fireGL board i get the same "Shit(only hd7970 series)" Open-Source driver.
    this means your words chance NOTHING! i need to buy maybe workstation 1000-5000 cards in a special deal to get any difference in the open-source driver.

    in my feeling AMD just make fun of Linux users. because FireGL cards make no sense to open-source users at all. this really suck!

    Why not sell opensource-cards in the same price range of the fireGL cards without support for the catalyst fireGL extensions and then spend the money on the opensource driver instead of the fireGL catalyst team ?

    yes yes i know we already get your answer.... LOL AMD just make fun of Linux users.

    Originally posted by bridgman View Post
    Ahh, so you don't mean "definition" you mean "your definition"... works for me.
    you don't get it the board manufacturer isn't the customer!
    and the Retail market isn't the OEM market!
    A Retail customer like me pay MORE MONEY for the SAME product compared to an "OEM customer"
    Retail market is: extra stuff in the box extra support extra guarantee and extra service and most of the time a higher skilled customer.

    I'm a AMD "Retail" customer for 15 years! i always buy my retail AMD CPU boxes and ATI Retail boxes and so one.

    i even buy AMD if Intel is "better" but in fact what do i get fore it? a "Bridgman" calling me not a "AMD" customer because i'm not "big OEM" LOL...

    really shame on you!

    and KANO is right if you buy a "Radeon HD 6550D" there isn't any OEM company between the REAL customer and AMD.


    Originally posted by bridgman View Post
    Remember the discussion was about whether a retail customer "buys from us" or buys from a <let's not call it an OEM> board manufacturer who buys chips in large quantities, understands their priorities for driver and OS support, and passes those priorities to us, just like a "complete system" manufacturer.
    in fact the large board manufacturer isn't the customer of AMD chips because for the board manufacturer its only a "through ongoing post"

    if i and no one buys a amd chipset based card from the board manufacturer then the board manufacturer don't buy AMD chips!

    because of this fact WE ARE THE CUSTOMERS ! and not the "board manufacturer "

    and again the opensource driver is a big fail on a "Radeon HD 6550D" and no OEM is between this card and the customers!

    the open-source driver is only OK for Retail-Desktop cards like my hd4770 because power management doesn't matter and performance is 60-70% of the catalyst.

    then the "Fusion-APU" is a big fail with open-source drivers you only get 10% of the speed of the catalyst and power-management care for the most fusion-APU systems!

    if you watch the performance of INTELs opensource driver no one would buy a "Radeon HD 6550D" system to use the opensource driver because you get much more speed with the opensource driver on the intel side.

    for me its impossible to buy a AMD-APU system to use it for the "radeon" driver because AMD just make fun of (opensource)Linux users.
    Last edited by Qaridarium; 05-16-2012, 11:01 PM.

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  • smitty3268
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    Originally posted by bridgman View Post
    Most users live somewhere between "current upstream" and "legacy" - certainly supporting a wider range of kernel and distro releases will reach a wider range of users but not sure I agree the binary drivers "have to work" with current upstream on launch day.

    I'll certainly agree with "it would be *better* if they worked with current upstream" but going forward the open source drivers should cover that anyways.
    99.9% of these support upstream complaints would go away if you supported the current version of Fedora at launch time. That's all you need to do.

    I'm not holding my breath on that happening any time soon, though, when you can't even provide proper Ubuntu support on time.

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  • bridgman
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    Originally posted by Kano View Post
    You can buy RETAIL FM1 cpus from AMD, boxed, absolutely no OEM involved. Which virtual OEM you would have to talk to when you want to use the GPU part?
    Good point. I'll ask around about how customer preferences for those sales get rolled up.

    Originally posted by Kano View Post
    It is not acceptable that AMD sells hardware which can not be used by Linux users the day you buy it. If you can not provide oss drivers, then provide binary drivers, no problem at all. But those have to work.
    We don't (sell hardware which can not be used by Linux users the day you buy it), and we do (provide binary drivers). The problem right now is that those drivers aren't getting through the system and board manufacturers to end users like the Windows drivers do, so for now we need to do a better job of posting them at launch time ourselves. The "retail APU" point you made might also help there.

    Originally posted by Kano View Post
    And they have to work with current upstream not with legacy code.
    Most users live somewhere between "current upstream" and "legacy" - certainly supporting a wider range of kernel and distro releases will reach a wider range of users but not sure I agree the binary drivers "have to work" with current upstream on launch day.

    I'll certainly agree with "it would be *better* if they worked with current upstream" but going forward the open source drivers should cover that anyways.
    Last edited by bridgman; 05-16-2012, 09:29 PM.

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