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Open Source: Two different drivers for different models of cards, works mostly if the stars are aligned correctly.
You only need to use one driver, and it is stable and accelerated, up to OpenGL 2.0. With KMS and everything else.
I really respect the work the nouveau guys are doing, and they have my support. But I will not support a company which is making things difficult for them.
And AMD open source driver is, by all accounts, far more usable and stable on recent hardware than nouveau.
Right now, Nvidia is the way to go if and only if you love binary blobs and don't care for open standards and open drivers.
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Originally posted by Craig73 View PostI applaud the efforts of nouveau... but considering ATI is releasing documentation on their hardware making it much easier to write drivers, why not support them?
Some of the workstation cards will be pariah for long time because they just wont be in the hands of people who can do anything with them. I think once the expensive workstation card buyers stick foot up nvidia they'll all of a sudden want to help.
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Fair points by all. I was a bit harsh and incorrect in regards to the open source drivers. But my dislike of their binary driver comes from experience. About a year ago I bought a cheap ATI card for my media computer, so I needed tree-free video and tvout. I can't remember the exact model now but at the time it wasn't supported by the open drivers and the binary crashed so often I returned the card. Then I got an nvidia and although I'm currently stuck on the closed driver (until tvout support for nv50 is here) it works great. On top of that I've been really impressed with nouveau and use it exclusively on my desktop.
But going by the defense that the open source ati drivers got I will give one of their cards another try. Unfortunately I don't need one right now.
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It's fine if you like nvidia, but try not to spread FUD.
Originally posted by niick View PostATI/AMD
Binary Blob: Terrible, infrequently updated.
Originally posted by niick View PostOpen Source: Two different drivers for different models of cards, works mostly if the stars are aligned correctly.
Originally posted by niick View PostNVIDIA
Binary Blob: Best linux graphics driver, has features and stability.
Originally posted by niick View PostOpen Source: One driver for all but oldest cards. 2D support done, 3D on its way. Moving quickly.
Originally posted by niick View PostOffical documentation or not nvidia is the way to go.
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Originally posted by lolren View PostHope ubuntu 10.04 will use it just think : out of the box 3d support!!! without any firmware crap!!! go fedora. waiting for ubuntu 10.10 (day dreaming). just 2 monts ago i wanted to buy Ati , but, in the way nouveau its going, go nvidia
And even so the nouveau moves forward quickly, there is no dockumentation available, which might slow down development at some point.
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Originally posted by Kazade View PostFWIW - I have ATI in my desktop *because* they release documentation, I used to use Nvidia.
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Originally posted by niick View PostAs a Linux user looking at graphics cards the situation is this:
ATI/AMD
Binary Blob: Terrible, infrequently updated.
Open Source: Two different drivers for different models of cards, works mostly if the stars are aligned correctly.
Yes there are two drivers, but hardly anyone uses radeonhd any more and the normal OSS "ati" driver works with *all* the ATI cards and with 3D acceleration on a recent kernel. (except the very recent R800 which is 2D only atm IIRC).
Also, fglrx isn't too bad any more, the only issue I'm having with it is slow unminimizing with compiz which means I have to run it with compositing disabled. And it's updated every month, I'd hardly call that "infrequent".
I have 2 nvidia laptops, 1 has frequent text corruption with Compiz, the other doesn't recognize the right screen resolution and so I have to supply a EDID file via xorg.conf; nvidia isn't perfect either.
FWIW - I have ATI in my desktop *because* they release documentation, I used to use Nvidia.
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Originally posted by Craig73 View PostI applaud the efforts of nouveau... but considering ATI is releasing documentation on their hardware making it much easier to write drivers, why not support them?
ATI/AMD
Binary Blob: Terrible, infrequently updated.
Open Source: Two different drivers for different models of cards, works mostly if the stars are aligned correctly.
NVIDIA
Binary Blob: Best linux graphics driver, has features and stability.
Open Source: One driver for all but oldest cards. 2D support done, 3D on its way. Moving quickly.
I have an nvidia card and have been using nouveau for a few months, my desktop (not accelerated) works great and is stable. The gallium driver will play some games and does allow xcompmgr to work well.
Offical documentation or not nvidia is the way to go. ATI/AMD presumably have all the documentation ever produced and the guys who invented the chips/cards and even their own driver is worthless.
Sorry to sound like a fan boy, I am not, but I cannot see myself getting an ATI card in the near future.
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Originally posted by lolren View PostHope ubuntu 10.04 will use it just think : out of the box 3d support!!! without any firmware crap!!! go fedora. waiting for ubuntu 10.10 (day dreaming). just 2 monts ago i wanted to buy Ati , but, in the way nouveau its going, go nvidia
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