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  • L33F3R
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    Originally posted by Qaridarium
    i switch from Nvidia to an amd grafic card in 2007!
    WOW! good for you!

    Originally posted by Qaridarium
    if free people, if we wana peace, software peace of Freedome, Nvidia must DIE!
    So you need to kill nvidia to get peace? Gandhi ought to slap your ass.

    Ahh wait a second no he wouldn't, kinda because hes Gandhi...

    Originally posted by Qaridarium
    Die Nvidia i hope you DIE!!!!
    Whats with all these screaming idiots wanting everything to die recently. FOSS - we attract the very brightest, and the downright insane.

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  • MostAwesomeDude
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    With regards to the ATI sub-thread, I'd like to note that nearly all of the current work put in on the Mesa and Gallium ATI drivers has been either commissioned through PI/TG prior to AMD's acquisition of ATI, or written by volunteers using AMD's docs.

    Anyway, to answer the big question, nVidia will continue to maintain both nv and nvidia, and continue to ship nv in the Xorg katamari to the best of their ability.

    Why, you ask? Simple. nVidia doesn't maintain nv for us; they maintain nv so that their customers (the people who buy their consumer-market cards) have an out-of-box solution that nVidia themselves can guarantee. Since they haven't written a single line of nouveau (save for the lines originally from nv), they can't actually make that promise without keeping nv.

    For the same reason, nvidia will continue to exist, except that in this context, the customers are people buying professional hardware. Y'know, Quadros and Teslas.

    Always annotative, never authoritative,
    ~ C.

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  • RahulSundaram
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    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    For all the years of yelling, ATI/AMD should have had to do nothing but provide the specs. You do realize that it is the "informed" that provide the "uninformed" with the idea that was all that was needed. Where would the opensource ATI drivers be without ATI's code?
    I don't think any amount of yelling helps even a tiny bit to be honest. There is market pressure that helps but users have to vote with their money and not just their mouth. Nvidia will not help at all with development of Nouveau as long as they remain popular. That's almost guaranteed.

    Radeon driver was already making very good progress and documentation has certainly helped but as Nouveau driver has proved, with enough focussed effort, we can jump through the hurdles necessary. Pidgin, Empathy et all support a crap load of protocols, almost all of them entirely reverse engineered as well.

    In short, reward good behaviour with your money.

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  • deanjo
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    Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
    Regardless of uninformed opinions, ATI documentation has certainly helped move development faster and primary development on the Radeon driver and noone is waiting on ATI to do all the development. Nouveau development is moving at a amazing rate but certainly shackled by the lack of good documentation.
    For all the years of yelling, ATI/AMD should have had to do nothing but provide the specs. You do realize that it is the "informed" that provide the "uninformed" with the idea that was all that was needed. Where would the opensource ATI drivers be without ATI's code?

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  • King InuYasha
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    Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
    Regardless of uninformed opinions, ATI documentation has certainly helped move development faster and primary development on the Radeon driver and noone is waiting on ATI to do all the development. Nouveau development is moving at a amazing rate but certainly shackled by the lack of good documentation.
    But if it isn't one thing, it would be another. Just be glad we even have any development going on in the nouveau driver. Yell all you want, but nothing will get done. All they will say is something to the effect of the following infuriating phrase: "Contributions welcome"

    To me, the nouveau driver is old news. What WOULD be big news is information on nouveau's Gallium drivers that add 3D support to nouveau.

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  • RahulSundaram
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    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    I don't know, I kind of like how nouveau is developed right now without any input from nvidia after seeing how people screaming for specs to the ATI hardware and then expecting ATI to do the development for them after providing them, give an inch they then expect a mile. Ironically most of the screamers are the same people that couldn't tell the difference between a header file and a .c file.
    Regardless of uninformed opinions, ATI documentation has certainly helped move development faster and primary development on the Radeon driver and noone is waiting on ATI to do all the development. Nouveau development is moving at a amazing rate but certainly shackled by the lack of good documentation.

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  • deanjo
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    Originally posted by DeepDayze View Post
    They'd better improve it enough to make it worthwhile...nv does not support the newest cards at the moment.

    If nouveau does reach the level where it's feature complete then I'd say give nv the ol' heave ho
    I don't know, I kind of like how nouveau is developed right now without any input from nvidia after seeing how people screaming for specs to the ATI hardware and then expecting ATI to do the development for them after providing them, give an inch they then expect a mile. Ironically most of the screamers are the same people that couldn't tell the difference between a header file and a .c file.

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  • DeepDayze
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    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    Quite simply to have a quick and dirty same day offering for base level support without having to worry about nouveau eventually trying to provide features that they may not want to have in a opensource solution. So they can either maintain the status quo or submit patches that may drastically alter nouveau's offering. Right now their cost and resources spent in the opensource solution is minimal.
    They'd better improve it enough to make it worthwhile...nv does not support the newest cards at the moment.

    If nouveau does reach the level where it's feature complete then I'd say give nv the ol' heave ho

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  • deanjo
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    Originally posted by DeepDayze View Post
    But WHY would they continue to support and maintain this rather old crappy driver?

    Nouveau probably would be at the point where it's like where the ATI OSS radeon driver is now.
    Quite simply to have a quick and dirty same day offering for base level support without having to worry about nouveau eventually trying to provide features that they may not want to have in a opensource solution. So they can either maintain the status quo or submit patches that may drastically alter nouveau's offering. Right now their cost and resources spent in the opensource solution is minimal.

    I would be surprised for example when Fermi debuts that nouveau will be in any shape to handle it being that it is a radical departure from previous generations of chips. nv and nvidia blob support are more then likely going to have same day or near same day support.
    Last edited by deanjo; 12-11-2009, 08:50 PM.

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  • DeepDayze
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    Originally posted by damentz View Post
    Remember, they said they would like something functioning that would require the least amount of maintenance going forward.

    If contributing to nouveau requires extra development time over nv, then they will most likely continue updating nv and ignore what nouveau does, even if nv is no longer packaged with modern distributions anymore.
    But WHY would they continue to support and maintain this rather old crappy driver?

    Nouveau probably would be at the point where it's like where the ATI OSS radeon driver is now.

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