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  • Saist
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    Originally posted by Remco View Post
    I think they will just stop any opensource effort. NVIDIA only cares about their proprietary driver. The opensource driver is only there so that Linux boxes with NVIDIA hardware will at least get to the login prompt. When Nouveau does that (and more), there's no need to waste resources.
    first comment I came across that pretty much said what I was thinking.

    Right now I'm trying to wrap my head around what Nvidia's actual... goal... is. Nvidia has exhibited several brain-dead streaks of logic over the years, and quite frankly, they are in a situation even more awkward than 3DFX once was. For reference, 3DFX once claimed that nobody cared about gaming in 24/32bit color, so their Voodoo 3 cards only accelerated 16bit color... while competitors such as ATi, Nvidia, and even Matrox if memory serves were pumping out cards that could accelerate 24/32bit color. The marketing mis-steps by 3DFX took them out of the market. Products were late or never completed, they tossed off the user-base, and they cut exclusive promotional deals.

    Nvidia's now doing pretty much the same thing. They're still relying on a mega-architecture design that's overly complex, so barring other issues, the products late. Nvidia's cutting deals with developers like Rocksteady and Gearbox to sabotage support on non Nvidia graphics cards.

    From a certain perspective, Nvidia's doing exactly what 3DFX did... and um... does anybody remember just how well that went over for 3DFX? Oh yeah, they went bankrupt.

    ***

    Looking at Nvidia's current, trajectory, I think it might be their aim to leave the gaming graphics card scene completely. The Fermi whitepaper pretty much emphasizes everything else a complex processor can do... but accelerate graphics. Nvidia seems to be aiming themselves into the niche, but profitable, super-computer market where the parallel designs of a GPU can be put to work on things like weather modeling or physics calculations. Nvidia also seems to be trying to set themselves up as a purchasable target for Apple, pushing the Tegra platform which, to my eyes, seems to be Nvidia's attempt to create a next generation Ipod platform.

    If this is Nvidia's goal, to get out of the consumer graphics card market and focus solely on platform deals and systems contracts, then NV can just die. Desktop features won't matter at all to a boffin trying to simulate rain drops flowing over the chassis of the next Ford Focus, or to the boffin trying to model a storm-front moving across a mountain range.

    In this light, I expect that Nvidia will simply abandon all pretense to be a supporter of open-source software. I, personally, have long maintained that Nvidia is anti-open source. I don't think that Nvidia has ever taken Desktop Linux seriously. I don't think they've ever actually approached it as something that could be a profitable market venture. It's always just been something that the 3D rendering houses who buy Nvidia hardware needed worked on as an afterthought. Gaming and desktop performance has also been something that Nvidia's had to work on when they got the contract for the PS3.

    I don't think Desktop use has ever really been a focus of Nvidia's. As I saw NV's purpose, it was basically an olive branch so that Nvidia could claim Open-Source support, and it only served as a bootloader. Since Nvidia wasn't, in my view, interested in the desktop market, there was no reason to improve the driver or unobscure it.

    Now, Nouveau is giving Nvidia an exit strategy. Nvidia can remove itself from Open-Source support, know that it's cards will still somewhat work, and just go on from there.

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  • glisse
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    Originally posted by [Knuckles] View Post
    I would like to introduce a case study: the forcedeth driver.

    I know it is a network driver, but it was originally a reverse engineered network driver for nvidia nforce2 network hardware (using it right now on this pc). Nvidia also had its own closed-source blob, but at one point just stopped maintaining it and started contributing to forcedeth.

    A link to a bigger version of the story: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/0...rcedeth-story/ .
    This won't happen for graphic, network driver are "simple" things, they pretty much all do the same things, their might be a bunch of clever tricks but i am not expecting that anyone have a network hw that provide an advantage over others hw.

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  • [Knuckles]
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    I would like to introduce a case study: the forcedeth driver.

    I know it is a network driver, but it was originally a reverse engineered network driver for nvidia nforce2 network hardware (using it right now on this pc). Nvidia also had its own closed-source blob, but at one point just stopped maintaining it and started contributing to forcedeth.

    A link to a bigger version of the story: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/0...rcedeth-story/ .
    Last edited by [Knuckles]; 12-12-2009, 06:37 AM. Reason: Add link

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  • tball
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    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    And percentage wise what would you say is the Projector use vs Video playback?

    So your playing the DRM bullshit excuse. Sorry but I like alot of others backup our commercial media, have HD camera's which are commonplace nowdays, stream HD video LEGALLY on even youtube stuff, etc etc. You know things that end users do... You start crowing how there are only illegal uses of HD acceleration you are no better then MS and the MPAA screaming the same thing.
    Uhm most of us end users are able to run those HD video contents just fine. Recently it works just fine with fglrx also

    I would choose xrandr over hd video decoding any day.
    Why would I need hd video decoding, if I weren't able to hotplug my plasma tv to my computer, if I already are able to run HD contents decoded with my cpu?

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  • MostAwesomeDude
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    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    So your playing the DRM bullshit excuse. Sorry but I like alot of others backup our commercial media, have HD camera's which are commonplace nowdays, stream HD video LEGALLY on even youtube stuff, etc etc. You know things that end users do... You start crowing how there are only illegal uses of HD acceleration you are no better then MS and the MPAA screaming the same thing.
    Which video codec do you use to encode your video? If it's anything but MJPEG or Theora, it's probably patented in a way that makes it impossible to ship in free distros. Which audio codec? Better hope it's Vorbis, or maybe Speex.

    This has nothing to do with copyright and everything to do with software patents.

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  • MostAwesomeDude
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    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    You may want some context to go with your assertion. Since you likely don't know it, I'll provide it.

    Aaron Plattner from nV added a patch to Xserver to autodetect and load nvidia, and was attempting to argue in favor of keeping it. Dave's post is a shorter, more droll version of, say, Daniel's excellent post, found further in the thread: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archive...ly/037101.html .

    Of course, I'm also guilty of the same terse sarcasm and rhetoric, as evidenced by my own contribution: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archive...ly/037133.html .

    Edit: Punctuation fail.
    Last edited by MostAwesomeDude; 12-12-2009, 05:44 AM.

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  • deanjo
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    Originally posted by airlied View Post
    My impression is you have made a basic "because I value something it means everyone must think its important" mistake in your logic. Xrandr support wasn't provided for a desktop user to set their PC up once and leave it alone, it was developed for laptop users who plug their laptops into projectors a lot and want to show stuff.
    And percentage wise what would you say is the Projector use vs Video playback?

    Things happen because ppl want them to happen, if we don't have tearfree video on open source drivers its not because nobody knows how to do it, its because nobody considers it worth doing. For example at Red Hat we can't ship a DVD player with our OS, so why the hell would we invest money in tearfree movie playing? Most Linux users playing movie are playing dodgy legal rips of content from other sources, its not something we get much paying customer demand for at all.
    So your playing the DRM bullshit excuse. Sorry but I like alot of others backup our commercial media, have HD camera's which are commonplace nowdays, stream HD video LEGALLY on even youtube stuff, etc etc. You know things that end users do... You start crowing how there are only illegal uses of HD acceleration you are no better then MS and the MPAA screaming the same thing.

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  • deanjo
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    Originally posted by airlied View Post
    I'm not sure which X.org devs have screamed for the blob to be opened I can certainly say I don't know of any, you might want to provide some sort of citation to back your "facts"
    http://lists.freedesktop.org/archive...ly/037098.html

    I do not see the point of adding autoconfig for drivers we don't ship
    with X.org.

    Please ship the driver source with X.org and we can add autoconfigure support.

    Dave.
    Nuff said Dave.

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  • jscurtu
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    This is what will happen

    - NVIDIA just provides no open-source contributions at all for new hardware.
    This is what I think will happen, I mean while other Graphic vendors are starting to have very good open source Drivers.. Nvidia still stays stubborn...

    This is the receipt for being stubborn and ignorant:
    AMD dont want those nforce chips on thier Motherboards anymore and I havent seen any nvidia chips on Intel boards for a long time!!
    SLI on nvidia nforce boards only, thats stupid!!...
    Hmmm well cross-fire support is on AMD and Intel chips!!!

    Seems to me nvidia is on a one man path, with no more partners..

    Just my 2 cents..

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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
    end of 2007 amd-buy-ati and have a plan for making a opensource-driver.

    i switch from Nvidia to an amd grafic card in 2007!

    if free people, if we wana peace, software peace of Freedome, Nvidia must DIE!

    Die Nvidia i hope you DIE!!!!
    Dude, you need to grow up and become sober.

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