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  • King InuYasha
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    Originally posted by bridgman View Post
    Just a quick comment on the "screaming that all we needed were specs" subtopic.

    If you focus on what the developers said, there was no screaming, and their position could be summarized as "so, like, we are going to keep working on the driver anyways but if you gave us some information it would go a lot faster". The developers have been true to their word - we provided information/support and they have used that to push ahead and make remarkable progress on the drivers.

    Where it gets tricky is when the developers comments have been processed a few times by the "collective intelligence of the internet", and developer comments like "given some time we'll make a pretty good driver" turn into "in a couple of weeks the open source driver will be far superior to the binary driver and fglrx will die Die DIE !!!". Those kind of comments led to some unrealistic expectations in the user community, and initial disappointment about how long the work was taking.

    Anyways, bottom line here is that the development community has been very consistent in terms of what they asked for - and if anything their progress has been faster than they originally expected, not slower.
    Of course it would be. These people are finally getting what they wanted. So they work hard to prove that they can use it. And that's probably why they have pretty much exceeded initial expectations.

    I wish my computer came with an ATI card, but it didn't. So, its merely a matter of waiting for the time to buy a new ATI graphics card and putting it into my system. I hold no faith towards nVidia. They don't really care too much for Linux, and the only reason we have a driver is because DreamWorks, Pixar, etc. all use nVidia+Linux for render farms.

    Also, they have always been a little curt and mean to me and a few others I know whenever we have sent emails to them.

    It's like talking to the people at Epic... They just don't like talking to people.

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  • bridgman
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    Just a quick comment on the "screaming that all we needed were specs" subtopic.

    If you focus on what the developers said, there was no screaming, and their position could be summarized as "so, like, we are going to keep working on the driver anyways but if you gave us some information it would go a lot faster". The developers have been true to their word - we provided information/support and they have used that to push ahead and make remarkable progress on the drivers.

    Where it gets tricky is when the developers comments have been processed a few times by the "collective intelligence of the internet", and developer comments like "given some time we'll make a pretty good driver" turn into "in a couple of weeks the open source driver will be far superior to the binary driver and fglrx will die Die DIE !!!". Those kind of comments led to some unrealistic expectations in the user community, and initial disappointment about how long the work was taking.

    Anyways, bottom line here is that the development community has been very consistent in terms of what they asked for - and if anything their progress has been faster than they originally expected, not slower.
    Last edited by bridgman; 12-12-2009, 01:29 PM.

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  • deanjo
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    Originally posted by tball View Post
    Uhm most of us end users are able to run those HD video contents just fine. Recently it works just fine with fglrx also

    I would choose xrandr over hd video decoding any day.
    Why would I need hd video decoding, if I weren't able to hotplug my plasma tv to my computer, if I already are able to run HD contents decoded with my cpu?
    Try to play HD content in linux on a laptop with a non-vdpau capable system and then play it on a vdpau system. I dare you to compare the battery life and playback experience. Same goes with HTPC's where efficient quiet cooling is desired where playback of HD content as well as doing a plethora of other tasks such as realtime recording during HD playback. Such a task is well beyond the capability of non accelerated HD playback but is perfectly capable of doing so with a low end dual core (single core if not encoding to HD) and a vdpau card.

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  • Smorg
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    Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
    In short, reward good behaviour with your money.
    Totally agree. Its so sad we've had to drag these hardware manufacturers and proprietary software conglomerates kicking and screaming into the 21st century. It will only happen if users continue demand support for free software.

    I bought my 4870 6 months ago specifically because I knew that either xf86-video-ati or radeonhd would eventually be the best drivers available. I see having open-source drivers as adding significant value to the product. I probably won't buy Nvidia again unless they have a similarly well supported open-source offering.
    Last edited by Smorg; 12-12-2009, 11:14 AM.

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  • Qaridarium
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    Originally posted by birdie View Post
    Dude, you need to grow up and become sober.
    the Bio-chemical process of grow up and learning is only 1 function in our brain!

    bain-cells die a baby do have much more brain-cells than a older-human.

    so you only tell me to kill some Brain-cells our of my head.



    o well my head is not so full of cocaine and alcoholic brainwashed to being like you wana me to be.

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  • Qaridarium
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    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    So you hope ATI gets a monopoly. That's real smart isn't it. But saying peace and freedom comes from the extermination of others is not a new concept to your country is it?
    no i only hope Intel lose his graphic chip monopoly of 60% of the market share.

    i know you deanjo you work for an despicable company with the name "Apple"

    this toy company Apple supports the Monopoly of Intel by using this intel-shit cpus!

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  • deanjo
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    Originally posted by MostAwesomeDude View Post
    You may want some context to go with your assertion. Since you likely don't know it, I'll provide it.
    I know the context very well, this is not the first time that items like this has happened either, just one of many over the years of subscribing to x86free and xorg mailing lists. On the subject of the patch I did and still do find it absolutely ludicrous that "maintaining" a condition in a 6 line patch was a burden as if it broke pretty much every other condition would follow as well regardless of it's inclusion or not.

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  • deanjo
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    Originally posted by MostAwesomeDude View Post
    Which video codec do you use to encode your video? If it's anything but MJPEG or Theora, it's probably patented in a way that makes it impossible to ship in free distros. Which audio codec? Better hope it's Vorbis, or maybe Speex.

    This has nothing to do with copyright and everything to do with software patents.
    You really are reaching for straws here. You guys have already accepted vdpau and va-api into the fold. You guys are providing access to the capabilities, what xyz decoder group does with it really isn't of your concern nor holds you liable. It does not matter if you do it through propriatary engines or open standards and solutions such as openCL (no matter if they are less efficient then addressing hw specific solutions as long as they are more efficient then current raw power cpu) providing a desirable end user experience as long as it's a feature that truly can the "make or break" difference. If you want, absolutely go ahead and accelerate things like Theora and Dirac. At least then your providing users with a reasonable alternative but alas no real such effort has been made (except again on nvidia hardware in the case of dirac). If your going to worry about potential illegal uses you might as well get rid of every debugger, every compiler, every piece of hardware support as pretty much every aspect of computing can be used in "illegal" practices.

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  • FireBurn
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    Originally posted by airlied View Post
    I'm not sure which X.org devs have screamed for the blob to be opened I can certainly say I don't know of any, you might want to provide some sort of citation to back your "facts"

    My impression is you have made a basic "because I value something it means everyone must think its important" mistake in your logic. Xrandr support wasn't provided for a desktop user to set their PC up once and leave it alone, it was developed for laptop users who plug their laptops into projectors a lot and want to show stuff.

    The story is that some Intel exec was doing a Linux demo and realised he couldn't hotplug his monitor on laptop will all Intel parts and he kicked heads due to its unacceptability. (may not be true but it sounds good)

    Things happen because ppl want them to happen, if we don't have tearfree video on open source drivers its not because nobody knows how to do it, its because nobody considers it worth doing. For example at Red Hat we can't ship a DVD player with our OS, so why the hell would we invest money in tearfree movie playing? Most Linux users playing movie are playing dodgy legal rips of content from other sources, its not something we get much paying customer demand for at all.

    Dave.
    Hi Dave

    I'm sorry but I feel compelled to disagree. With the advent of youtube, the likes of hulu and netflix in the US and iPlayer and 4OD (and the rest) in the UK more and more people are watching legal video on their computers

    Granted this is mostly all via flash but tear free movie playing is very important. Not just to end users but to vendors that want to ship linux based devices as front ends to these services

    Regards

    Mike

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  • [Knuckles]
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    Originally posted by glisse View Post
    This won't happen for graphic, network driver are "simple" things, they pretty much all do the same things, their might be a bunch of clever tricks but i am not expecting that anyone have a network hw that provide an advantage over others hw.
    Agreed that graphics and network are different, but they DID develop a closed-source driver for the network card, instead of an open one, and they never opensourced it, they switched their work to something open-source that appeared in the meantime, which is what I was trying to highlight.

    I'm not saying that nvidia will start putting a lot of resources behind nouveau, I'm just saying that maybe they could just contribute the same as they do with nv: pretty much basic modesetting and pci id's.

    It's not much but it would be a start.

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