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  • Originally posted by ssokolow View Post
    Has nobody considered that Valve might just be improving nVidia support to keep their options open for making a non-recovery SteamOS 3 ISO?

    They don't have to be aiming for a defined endpoint.
    They are a for profit company, there is always and only ever one defined endpoint - profit.

    valve wouldn't be interested in throwing devs on 6 figure salaries at trying to fix linux nvidia problems if they weren't preparing to ship nvidia hardware on linux.
    Last edited by mSparks; 16 May 2024, 03:38 AM.

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    • Originally posted by mSparks View Post
      They are a for profit company, there is always and only ever one defined endpoint - profit.

      valve wouldn't be interested in throwing devs on 6 figure salaries at trying to fix linux nvidia problems if they weren't preparing to ship nvidia hardware on linux.
      ...or they could just be preparing to for a new push to encourage the creation of third-party Steam OS devices (i.e. Steam Boxes). Without more data, we can only speculate.

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      • Originally posted by ssokolow View Post

        ...or they could just be preparing to for a new push to encourage the creation of third-party Steam OS devices (i.e. Steam Boxes). Without more data, we can only speculate.
        Hmmm, likelyhood of a software house investing its scarce and expensive developer resources on things it has no intention of selling....

        Is that really something you are unsure about?

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        • Originally posted by mSparks View Post

          Hmmm, likelyhood of a software house investing its scarce and expensive developer resources on things it has no intention of selling....

          Is that really something you are unsure about?
          I just think we don't yet have enough data for it to be reasonable to lean on one answer.

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          • Originally posted by ssokolow View Post

            I just think we don't yet have enough data for it to be reasonable to lean on one answer.
            OK, let me explain the data for you.
            No for profit company ever invested in things they are not planning to sell.
            Valve will not be the first.

            Its almost identical data to that of AMDGPUs undefeated, unbeatable record breaking profits for device manufacturers like valve and microsoft, and exactly the opposite of Nvidias "uncompetitive" record of the same.
            Last edited by mSparks; 16 May 2024, 10:10 AM.

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            • Originally posted by mSparks View Post

              OK, let me explain the data for you.
              No for profit company ever invested in things they are not planning to sell.
              Valve will not be the first.

              Its almost identical data to that of AMDGPUs undefeated, unbeatable record breaking profits for device manufacturers like valve and microsoft, and exactly the opposite of Nvidias "uncompetitive" record of the same.
              And, as I said, there are more ways to "sell" something than what you're assuming. Valve has a history of investing in things that they don't intend to directly sell. Among other reasons, to ensure they don't get caught flat-footed if Microsoft decides anti-trust law in the U.S. has been sufficiently defanged to try another go at The Windows Store.

              Remember that Steam OS originated with a 3DO-esque project where they encouraged other vendors to make the machines.
              Last edited by ssokolow; 16 May 2024, 06:09 PM.

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              • Originally posted by ssokolow View Post

                And, as I said, there are more ways to "sell" something than what you're assuming. Valve has a history of investing in things that they don't intend to directly sell. Among other reasons, to ensure they don't get caught flat-footed if Microsoft decides anti-trust law in the U.S. has been sufficiently defanged to try another go at The Windows Store.

                Remember that Steam OS originated with a 3DO-esque project where they encouraged other vendors to make the machines.
                steamos started as gabe trying to compete with consoles, the first sign was them investing in a TV mode for linux

                Steam's Big Picture mode was just the first step: according to Valve boss Gabe Newell, you'll be able to buy a living-room-friendly PC package next year.


                The main blocker atm is AMD can't compete with nvidia and valve can't compete with microsoft and sony in writing proprietary console drivers for AMD.
                Last edited by mSparks; 16 May 2024, 07:33 PM.

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                • Originally posted by mSparks View Post

                  steamos started as gabe trying to compete with consoles, the first sign was them investing in a TV mode for linux

                  Steam's Big Picture mode was just the first step: according to Valve boss Gabe Newell, you'll be able to buy a living-room-friendly PC package next year.


                  The main blocker atm is AMD can't compete with nvidia and valve can't compete with microsoft and sony in writing proprietary console drivers for AMD.
                  Or, alternatively, it's tricky to compete with something that's simultaneously a more limited PC and a console with fewer exclusives.

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                  • Originally posted by ssokolow View Post

                    Or, alternatively, it's tricky to compete with something that's simultaneously a more limited PC and a console with fewer exclusives.
                    Hmmm, not sure what the alternative is, thats pretty much what happened,.

                    Exclusives have generally fascinating back stories, each unique, always worth a read if you ever run into them, still need to get round to watching that tetris movie.

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                    • Originally posted by mSparks View Post

                      Hmmm, not sure what the alternative is, thats pretty much what happened,.

                      Exclusives have generally fascinating back stories, each unique, always worth a read if you ever run into them, still need to get round to watching that tetris movie.
                      Generally, you need to leverage other advantages.

                      In a sense, the thing that cannibalizes the Steam Machine's niche the most is Steam Home Streaming since it's got all the same competitive advantages (eg. access to your existing Steam library, but on the TV) and it's cheaper, so long as you don't need that PC to be doing something else resource-intensive at the same time.

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