Former Nouveau Lead Developer Joins NVIDIA, Continues Working On Open-Source Driver

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  • oiaohm
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2017
    • 8436

    #71
    Originally posted by arabek View Post
    Oh how you all are in the dark. Nvidia hired Ben to phase out the binary only driver in favor of Nouveau, but everyone is here with batshit crazy theories. Instead of giving out all the support to Ben, you all are just trolling. Nuff said.
    Cannot say this. Nvidia left hand and right hand have habits of doing different things. Remember the Linus middle finger event that middle finger of Linus was in response to a question for Nvidia Embedded Developer on the time who was working on Nouveau at the time for Nvidia embedded devices of the time.

    arabek Nvidia has had selective involvement with Nouveau from the day it started. Yes selective involvement is Nvidia makes only select hardware with Nouveau work the best it can. It is kind of a surprise to a lot of people to find that Nvidia being submitting patches to Nouveau for ages yet Nouveau cannot get legal firmware to ship to support all the cards Nvidia has made.

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    • arabek
      Phoronix Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 81

      #72
      Originally posted by reba View Post

      That's a pretty bold claim. Source please.
      sorry, cant disclose my sources
      Last edited by arabek; 19 April 2024, 12:00 PM.

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      • arabek
        Phoronix Member
        • Apr 2010
        • 81

        #73
        Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

        arabek Nvidia has had selective involvement with Nouveau from the day it started. Yes selective involvement is Nvidia makes only select hardware with Nouveau work the best it can. It is kind of a surprise to a lot of people to find that Nvidia being submitting patches to Nouveau for ages yet Nouveau cannot get legal firmware to ship to support all the cards Nvidia has made.
        You really have to give up on the notion that any for profit company will support legacy hardware (thats what you mean basically by saying selective). Its not in their interest. Right now their interest lies with companies that force them to embrace open source drivers because it's a hard requirement to even consider using their hw in some scenarios. And it finally dawned on NVIDIA that basically almost all the work has been done for them already. It just needs a bit more polishing. And who could do it better than Ben himself? So yes - corporate contracts they want their hands on will give us nice things in the end. Be happy for Ben. Is it too much to ask?

        If there is one thing you can be sure about NVIDIA, its the fact that they count their money.
        Last edited by arabek; 19 April 2024, 12:20 PM.

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        • oiaohm
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2017
          • 8436

          #74
          Originally posted by arabek View Post
          You really have to give up on the notion that any for profit company will support legacy hardware (thats what you mean basically by saying selective).
          That not what I am saying. Nouveau examples of selective have Nvidia supporting particular models of their items. Yes so they release 2 brand new items and they support one on Nouveau and the other on their closed source drivers has happened historically. We have seen this with Tegra socs from Nvidia.

          Restricting to only legacy is in ingoring Nvidia historic behavior.

          Yes there is a line of Tegra soc releases where where it was Nouveau, closed source, Nouveau, closed source... repeating 12 times. and when this was happening none of these chips are legacy.

          The question will come how will Nvidia decide to segment the market. Nvidia has selective on what new hardware gets Nouveau support based on the market segmentation they want.

          Yes it likely that Nvidia own open source kernel driver that is not Nouveau and not Linux kernel mainline will remained required for closed source userspace.

          So even no more closed source kernel module does not mean Nvidia will not remain selective on what card is support by what. Also likely to remain very locked down on what documentation they hand over.

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          • arabek
            Phoronix Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 81

            #75
            Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
            Yes it likely that Nvidia own open source kernel driver that is not Nouveau and not Linux kernel mainline will remained required for closed source userspace.
            on the contrary. its the nouveau open source driver that will support the closed source userspace aswell as mesa and nvk.

            rest of your assumptions will be wrong in the end.

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            • lateo
              Phoronix Member
              • Jul 2018
              • 63

              #76
              Originally posted by mrg666 View Post
              Nvidia already dominates GPU computing and majority of those servers already run on Linux.
              Yeah, and I can't help but shiver in fear each and every time those CUDA-enabled systems need a kernel update.
              Official Nvidia Repo? DKMS? it tends to just break every now and then anyway.

              "Luckily", you can't miss the worst case update scenario since the servers make a crazy high level of noise when the driver's badly broken thereafter.
              No later than last week I had to postpone upgrading the (small) fleet I'm in charge of when the test machine broke and I couldn't fix it after 4 hours of meddling with this horrible stuff.
              I have things to do and can't afford to waste time with Nvidia's *professional grade* drivers at every system update.
              Yeah, I agree with Linus : "FU Nvidia". I wish AMD would advance faster on this segment.

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              • mrg666
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2023
                • 1074

                #77
                Originally posted by lateo View Post

                Yeah, and I can't help but shiver in fear each and every time those CUDA-enabled systems need a kernel update.
                Official Nvidia Repo? DKMS? it tends to just break every now and then anyway.

                "Luckily", you can't miss the worst case update scenario since the servers make a crazy high level of noise when the driver's badly broken thereafter.
                No later than last week I had to postpone upgrading the (small) fleet I'm in charge of when the test machine broke and I couldn't fix it after 4 hours of meddling with this horrible stuff.
                I have things to do and can't afford to waste time with Nvidia's *professional grade* drivers at every system update.
                Yeah, I agree with Linus : "FU Nvidia". I wish AMD would advance faster on this segment.
                I feel you

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                • rabcor
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 1367

                  #78
                  Originally posted by duby229 View Post

                  Given what Cuda is and how nVidia licenses its EULA, I personally believe nVidia has ZERO intention of allowing their customers to pursue compute on an open source driver. I agree that they seem to care most about HPC and AI, but I'm 100% sure Cuda will never be officially supported on an open source driver.
                  Cuda doesn't have to be open sourced for it to work though, cuda itself can remain closed, open source driver just needs to be able to interface with it.

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                  • ezst036
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2018
                    • 680

                    #79
                    Originally posted by mdedetrich View Post
                    This isn't due to a lack of trying but rather Linux being behind Windows in the areas where there isn't parity OR providing feature parity would involve having to modify they kernel which is a no go to begin with unless you want NVidia force their own version of Linux kernel as well.
                    This sentence doesn't work at all if I insert Valve into it.

                    The difference is, Nvidia just sits back with their hand out gimme gimme gimme. What did Valve do? Linux wasn't nearly ready for gaming as it is today. Valve contributed.

                    Nvidia could have contributed.

                    Nvidia chose not to contribute.

                    Valve could have contributed. Valve chose to contribute.

                    See the difference?

                    (Seems I could have said Intel and come out with the same. Intel chose to contribute.)

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                    • ezst036
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2018
                      • 680

                      #80
                      Originally posted by NotMine999 View Post
                      So if I want to run the latest regualr release version of Debian I have to trash my Nvidia grafix card or
                      Ebay is your friend.

                      Sell the Nvidia and for the same money get an AMD card that is two or some generations newer. Let the Windows kiddies fiddle with that card.

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