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  • wertigon
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    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    Who gives a flying fuck about Fedora? I will never use any Red Hat garbage. That's worse than using Windows.

    You're so cringe it's not even funny.

    I also build Xorg myself btw, but for completely different reasons. Along with a lot of other stuff obviously.
    If it happens in Fedora, chances are very good the rest of the mainstream distros will follow.

    So, if Fedora 40 (coming at the same time as Ubuntu 24.04) will stop shipping an XOrg server, chances are big Ubuntu 26.04 will not ship XOrg as a part of the distribution either. Which means Ubuntu 24.04 is likely the last XOrg release, and Debian 13, and Arch... Sorry, Arch is rolling and is already forgetting about XOrg.

    So, 2030 Debian 13 will go EOL as the last distro running Xorg, what are you going to do then, run LFS?

    As I've said... It's already too late. Join Wayland, or suffer in the cold, your choice. But the sooner you join the better off you will be.

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  • SeeM
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    Imagine now there is no Nouveau and all we have is Nvidia drivers. Kmod or nothing. I am grateful for every night coffee marathon for keeping Nouveau running and relevant. Nvidia drivers screw up from time to time and having something to soft land the desktop is priceless.

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  • kurkosdr
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    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    Now look on Steam market share, because nobody cares about people who use desktops as phones just to browse the web.
    PC gaming is a niche. Most people will just buy a lightweight passively-cooled laptop (which btw are awesome, no noise and no need to worry about soft surfaces blocking the vents or about dust buildup) and then will buy a PS5 for their gaming stuff. This arrangement also has the advantage that kernel-level DRM like Denuvo is sealed in its own purpose-built box. Sure, there are people who will buy gaming laptops for the portability factor or build gaming rigs to get the latest and greatest in graphics, but they are a niche and the PS5's sales prove it. So... Windows may have an advantage in that niche, big deal. Also, you conveniently omitted that MacOS has its own successful App Store and most MacOS games are sold there, not from Steam.

    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    Mac is also, ironically, considered "good" for artists and yet it can't run StableDiffusion properly. It's so hilarious it's actually comical.
    Define "properly". It's getting really tiring to have to run behind your information-free posts. StableDiffusion runs on a Mac btw. Or you are trying to tell me that building StableDiffusion rigs instead of using some online service is not a niche?

    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    The most pathetic platform in existence.
    I am sure that Tim Cook is busy crying on top of the huge pile of cash that MacOS is generating.

    This is what you people don't understand: It's about the user experience the OS delivers. Regular people value the user experience MacOS delivers and are willing to pay for it, and no amount of whining on forums about how MacOS is "the most pathetic platform in existence" will change that.
    Last edited by kurkosdr; 22 September 2023, 10:18 AM.

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  • Weasel
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    Originally posted by kurkosdr View Post
    Not sure if serious or just trolling, but anyway:
    This graph shows the market share of desktop operating systems worldwide based on over 5 billion monthly page views.

    And that despite the fact Macs sell as premium products with prices to match.

    I don't know what you are trying to say all this time (your posts are basically zero-information posts), but MacOS has gained significant market share the past 14 years or so (and the gains are even more substantial in key markets such as the US). This should clue everyone that people care about the user experience, not what the Weasels on Phoronix consider a "sad joke" (for reasons they won't reveal).

    Again, I can't tell if you are serious or just trolling.
    Now look on Steam market share, because nobody cares about people who use desktops as phones just to browse the web.

    Mac is also, ironically, considered "good" for artists and yet it can't run StableDiffusion properly. It's so hilarious it's actually comical.

    The most pathetic platform in existence.

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  • Weasel
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    Originally posted by wertigon View Post
    Someone is totes not keeping up...

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    Sure, what you have will work for another, oh, I dunno... 3, 4 years? After that you will need to build X.org yourself and make sure it is compatible with your next Nvidia card. Except oh wait, no, you can't. Need source code for that, source code Nvidia refuse to give you.

    Pretty soon a Vulkan driver, which is much easier than an OpenGL driver to write, will be everything you require for proper Wayland support. Zinc is already 95% there.

    So you can spit venom at Wayland all you want. The rest of us have already moved on. You are welcome to join us, or keep sticking to your ever shrinking island. Your problem, your hardware, you figure it out.

    Meanwhile I will go back to enjoying BG3 on Wayland running with FSR on my Radeon GPU and 1440p@144Hz screen.
    Who gives a flying fuck about Fedora? I will never use any Red Hat garbage. That's worse than using Windows.

    You're so cringe it's not even funny.

    I also build Xorg myself btw, but for completely different reasons. Along with a lot of other stuff obviously.

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  • kurkosdr
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    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    Mac in general is a sad joke in everything, including design. It's the furthest thing from a desktop. Unsurprisingly it's losing market share even to Linux on the desktop lol.
    Not sure if serious or just trolling, but anyway:
    This graph shows the market share of desktop operating systems worldwide based on over 5 billion monthly page views.

    And that despite the fact Macs sell as premium products with prices to match.

    I don't know what you are trying to say all this time (your posts are basically zero-information posts), but MacOS has gained significant market share the past 14 years or so (and the gains are even more substantial in key markets such as the US). This should clue everyone that people care about the user experience, not what the Weasels on Phoronix consider a "sad joke" (for reasons they won't reveal).

    Again, I can't tell if you are serious or just trolling.
    Last edited by kurkosdr; 21 September 2023, 07:22 PM.

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  • wertigon
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    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    Why switch? Nvidia drivers work flawlessly for me on Linux with X11.
    Someone is totes not keeping up...

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    Sure, what you have will work for another, oh, I dunno... 3, 4 years? After that you will need to build X.org yourself and make sure it is compatible with your next Nvidia card. Except oh wait, no, you can't. Need source code for that, source code Nvidia refuse to give you.

    Pretty soon a Vulkan driver, which is much easier than an OpenGL driver to write, will be everything you require for proper Wayland support. Zinc is already 95% there.

    So you can spit venom at Wayland all you want. The rest of us have already moved on. You are welcome to join us, or keep sticking to your ever shrinking island. Your problem, your hardware, you figure it out.

    Meanwhile I will go back to enjoying BG3 on Wayland running with FSR on my Radeon GPU and 1440p@144Hz screen.

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  • sophisticles
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    Originally posted by NeoMorpheus View Post

    I remember being forced to use Korora Linux because I couldn’t get the damn ngreedia drivers working with anything else.

    oh and funny you decide to insult us that wants proper open source drivers in open source OS.
    As i said I was using Nvidia's drivers since before Fedora existed, and both Manjaro and Ubuntu had automatic installation of Nvidia drivers for years.

    As for using "proper open source drivers in open source OS", the insult arises because of the lack of coherent, logical reasoning on the part of these people.

    You guys want the OS and the drivers to be open source but have no problem using these to run closed source, proprietary software such as games, and in many cases, closed source, proprietary games designed to run only on closed source, proprietary OSes.

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  • Weasel
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    Originally posted by timofonic View Post
    CrapWeasel, you are boring.

    Switch to OpenBSD, there's Xenocara.
    Why switch? Nvidia drivers work flawlessly for me on Linux with X11.

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  • Weasel
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    Originally posted by kurkosdr View Post
    I also mentioned MacOS X, but whatever. Learn how not to be a rude arsehat and you might be taken seriously.

    Let me remind you that you are the one who replied with a rude and aggressive comment first.
    Mac in general is a sad joke in everything, including design. It's the furthest thing from a desktop. Unsurprisingly it's losing market share even to Linux on the desktop lol.

    Obviously don't bring up iPhones because those are not desktops.

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