Nouveau Kernel Driver Patches Begin Preparing For "NVK" Open-Source Vulkan Support

[avis]

Of course nothing is perfect, but I'd argue that the Mesa AMD drivers are better in many areas. For example, have a look at yuzu's progress reports; they use a lot of different and advanced GPU capabilities, and the Mesa drivers are often recommended for being faster and less broken than the official AMD ones.

And being a game emulator they are not the classic Linux fan boys

I wouldn't be surprised if Vulkan apps/games work better with Linux (Mesa) drivers but the bulk of e.g. OpenGL development is still in Windows for their Pro GPUs for professionals and those changes are unlikely to ever be backported to Linux since code bases are completely different.

[tachi]

True so but for some reasons Linux fans continue to baselessly claim that AMD/Intel GPU Linux drivers are "perfect". Let's start with the indisputable fact that they are nowhere near close to their Windows drivers in terms of stability and features.

Of course nothing is perfect, but I'd argue that the Mesa AMD drivers are better in many areas. For example, have a look at yuzu's progress reports; they use a lot of different and advanced GPU capabilities, and the Mesa drivers are often recommended for being faster and less broken than the official AMD ones.

And being a game emulator they are not the classic Linux fan boys

[avis]

1. You've not checked on the provided bug trackers. User errors you're talking about do not stay open for more than a few days at most. Sorry, I'm not stupid and your assumption was egregiously wrong.
2. Nothing to comment upon.
3. A ton of ad homimen, also you're lying that I've ever said or implied that NVIDIA binary drivers are faultless. In fact NVIDIA drivers have a ton of issues which the company doesn't deem important, so they take forever to fix them:

https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/hdmi-cec-support/31445

https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/request-gpu-memory-junction-temperature-via-nvidia-smi-or-nvml-api/168346

https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/bug-report-idle-power-draw-is-astronomical-with-rtx-3090/155632

https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/brightness-not-working-ubuntu-20-04-lenovo-legion-5-15imh05/178058

etc. etc. etc.

Since you're unable to argue without resorting to insults, I'm out of this argument and I will ignore your comments from now on.

[osw89]

Issues caused by user error? I've laughed. In Linux it's the user who is responsible for ... properly using their GPU. Are you a fan of Steve Jobs? Are those poor souls holding Linux wrong? God, it's such cringe it's actually unbelievable.

The only unbelievably cringe thing here is you not being able to understand what you read. Let me explain it more clearly to you, not every single issue in a git repo is caused by the driver, I've seen people forget to turn vsync off, only plug in a single power connector, undervolt too much, or forget that their laptop is in power saving more and blame the driver for it(on all 3 platforms). People who have no problems don't open issues either so just opening the issues page and just starting to scream `ermahgerd 1000 issues it doesnt work!!!11" like the very intelligent person you are doesn't mean much. I can very easily find hundreds of posts on nvidia forums about people with problems but this isn't enough to conclude that their driver doesn't work at all or is garbage, does it?

NVIDIA drivers do not stop working if a company hasn't released an update. If you are talking about API breaking Linux releases, that doesn't happen too often nowadays either
Windows users which actually use their PCs and not tinker with them 24x7 also have no issues with kernel updates..

Yes, out-of-tree drivers have to be updated with newer releases, thanks for repeating my point. When a linux release is going to happen isn't exactly hidden knowledge so please stop trying to convince people that it's not Nvidia's fault they, a billion dollar company, sometimes don't update their drivers in time. Windows users have no issues with updates? Come up with better lies, some of us have and are using Windows too.

Maybe you should look in the mirror and realize it's the way the Linux kernel is being developed is an an issue and NVIDIA is not the only entity in the world which is affected by it. Old drivers are being dropped left and right in Linux because of this wonderful development model.

Yeah nvidia is the only major company with this problem but the problem is Linux. You sound like a certain, not so intelligent and possibly slightly mentally ill poster who recently got banned and had a thing for always finding faults in everything but nvidia. I don't have more time to respond to your inane, incoherent ramblings. Go find a better thing to do than come up with excuses for a billion dollar company i.e. doing marketing for free.

[Quackdoc]

very exciting stuff

[Linuxxx]

All I want is to stop seeing stutters everytime anything happens on my screen with the Nvidia blob...

On what distro + DE combo?

Never seen anything like that on either Ubuntu Budgie or Xubuntu, so maybe give either Budgie or XFCE a try?

[avis]

Breaking News: Software has Bugs, People in Chaos.

True so but for some reasons Linux fans continue to baselessly claim that AMD/Intel GPU Linux drivers are "perfect". Let's start with the indisputable fact that they are nowhere near close to their Windows drivers in terms of stability and features. AMD/Intel Linux drivers nowadays run certain games faster but it's not because they are better written or optimized, it's because Windows drivers have a ton of code to deal with use cases which do not exist under Linux. They have a ton of code to deal with legacy applications. It doesn't come cheap.

[avis]

So a popular project has many bug reports. Your point? If number of bug reports is all you're going for to determine something is good or not, then every major piece of software must be a total shitshow right now.

My point is that people who advocate for AMD/Intel drivers are lying through their teeth when they claim that an Intel/AMD GPU will work better under Linux than an NVIDIA GPU.

This is not always the case. There are cases when NVIDIA drivers still work better. It's not black and white but then who I'm preaching to. The majority of people who use Linux without a strong use case (e.g. you need to develop software for Linux) do it for religious reasons. There's no reasoning with such people. Good luck.

[avis]

"There are issues in the git repo so it doesn't work well" Great logic, now think about how to account for issues that are caused by user error and how many people are using it without problems and you might have an actual argument. Oh and before I forget, one of those drivers don't stop working if a company hasn't released an update in time and you've made the mistake of updating your kernel.

Issues caused by user error? I've laughed. In Linux it's the user who is responsible for ... properly using their GPU. Are you a fan of Steve Jobs? Are those poor souls holding Linux wrong? God, it's such cringe it's actually unbelievable.

NVIDIA drivers do not stop working if a company hasn't released an update. If you are talking about API breaking Linux releases, that doesn't happen too often nowadays either.
Windows users which actually use their PCs and not tinker with them 24x7 also have no issues with kernel updates.
RHEL and Android users have no troubles updating the kernel. RedHat/Google actually care about its users unlike core Linux kernels.

Maybe you should look in the mirror and realize it's the way the Linux kernel is being developed is an an issue and NVIDIA is not the only entity in the world which is affected by it. Old drivers are being dropped left and right in Linux because of this wonderful development model.

[Alexmitter]

The irony is to believe that AMD/Intel open source drivers work perfectly. It's so far from the truth it's actually laughable.

Hey Birdie, worst take of yours since a while. Breaking News: Software has Bugs, People in Chaos.